Newbie w/ND3520A - FW & Media (Memorex) Questions

vbimport

#1

Hi,

My daughter just got an NEC ND3520A for her birthday. I checked with Nero Infotool, and it says firmware is “1.04”, but NEC’s website seems to indicate that current firmware is “3.04” (W352GF40.exe).

Should I upgrade the ND3520A to this new firmware?

Also, if so, it sounds like I just run that .EXE from Windows. Is that correct?

She also has Nero Express 6.6.0.12, and I just bought a 50-pk of “Memorex 16x DVD+R” for her. Infotool is showing MCC of “CMC MAG M01”, BUT it is also showing only 12x, 8x, 6x, and 4x.

Shouldn’t it show “16x”???

Also, should I update Nero to 6.6.0.13?

If I upgrade the firmware to the 3.04, anyone know how well this media will work with this burner?

Thanks, and sorry for all the questions!!

Jim

P.S. I thought that I had read that the 3520A supports bitsetting. How do I do this (bitsetting) with this drive and Nero?

P.P.S. Here’s what DVD Identifier 3.6.3.1 shows:


Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:CMC MAG-M01-000]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [Not Available]
Manufacturer Name : [CMC Magnetics Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [CMC MAG]
Media Type ID : [M01]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4,482.6MB = 4.38GB (4.70GB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x , 6x-16x]

[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Media Code’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘Media Code’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 11h (Method 1) - ADIP Information
0000 : a1 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3f 00 00 00 00 …&.?..
0010 : 00 00 07 43 4d 43 20 4d 41 47 00 4d 30 31 00 38 …CMC MAG.M01.8
0020 : 23 54 37 18 00 3e 6e 00 70 62 15 15 0b 0b 08 08 #T7…>n.pb…
0030 : 01 19 1b 0b 0b 0e 0f 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0040 : 01 00 38 38 00 1d 62 35 07 30 22 10 08 20 1c 01 …88…b5.0"… …
0050 : 00 00 00 1d 62 35 07 30 22 10 08 20 1c 01 00 00 …b5.0"… …
0060 : 02 00 54 70 02 38 5f 56 20 14 0b 0b 01 18 00 00 …Tp.8_V …
0070 : 00 00 02 3d 5d 7a 20 14 0c 0a 01 18 00 00 00 10 …=]z …
0080 : 03 00 54 df 02 1f 65 5a 20 14 0c 0a 01 18 00 00 …T…eZ …
0090 : 00 00 02 06 67 86 20 14 0c 0a 01 18 00 00 00 89 …g. …
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …

DVDInfoPro:

                        Media Information                            

Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID CMC MAG M01
Media Product Revision Number 00h
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 405405696
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type DVD+R
Media Type DVD+R
Manufacturer Rated Speed 16.0x 22160KBp
Available Write Descriptor CLV 12.0x 16620KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Linear Density Blank Disc
Track Density Unknown
Number of Layers 1

                       Complete Media Code                           

00000000 01 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F …&.?
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 07 43 4D 43 20 4D 41 47 00 4D …CMC MAG.M
00000020 30 31 00 38 23 54 37 18 00 3E 6E 00 70 62 15 15 01.8#T7…>n.pb…
00000030 0B 0B 08 08 01 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 00 00 00 00 …


#2

Hi Jim :slight_smile:

3.04 gives your drive the latest writing strategies and adds a PIE/PIF quality scanning capability. I would recommend upgrading.

Correct. Just follow the instructions on the NEC-website.

The newer firmware will propably support 16x for this media, but I don’t know this for sure.

Nero tends to be a bit buggy, so updating is recommended.

Qualityscans of this media burned in 3520-drives can be found on this forum. Use the search to find these.

Official NEC-firmwares do not support bitsetting. However, modified (and unofficial) firmwares which do support bitsetting exist. Liggy and Dee have made such a firmware, it can be found on this forum.

Please note that when using an unofficial firmware you will lose your warranty!!!

The process of bitsetting varies with the firmware. Some firmwares have autobitsetting (no need to set), some have manual bitsetting (set and forget). Either way, it is fairly simple.

No problem :slight_smile:


#3

Tommy,

Thanks for ALL the responses. BTW, I had edited my original post with some additional information (DVD Identifier, etc.).

Also, I haven’t done the Nero update yet, but I just did the FW flash to 3.04. Nero Infotool still only shows 12x.

From the DVDInfoPro information I edited into my original post, I’m guessing that the reason that Infotool doesn’t show 16x is that there’s no “16x write descriptor”.

Being a newbie, is this missing 16x write descriptor missing in the drive FW or on the media itself???

I’m trying to decide is this media was falsely advertised as 16x (it’s all over the labels!) or if the ND3520A just doesn’t think it should burn it at 16x…

Jim


#4

Hi,

Hmm. It looks like this is the same media (though I bought mine at BestBuy):

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia.php?selectmedia=3151#comments

According to that comment, that media code block looks a bit different from what I posted earlier, but the commenter was able to turn at 16x on a Philips DVD8631…

Still trying to decide if I should keep this (media)?

Jim


#5

Jim,

A “16x write descriptor” is the same as a writing strategy. These strategies are present in the burners FW.

In the FW each mediacode has its own strategy in order to optimize the burnresult (in terms of quality). When the 16x strategy is missing for a particular media, this is because the guys from NEC have bad results when burning it at 16x. So, I order to keep the quality of the burns high, they made 12x the max speed.

This however doesn’t say that the media can’t be burned at 16x; it just can’t in the 3520. There might be other drives that are able to burn at 16x.

Who is to blame is difficult to say. You could say that CMC makes crap media that won’t burn at 16x while it is supposed to. You could also say that the 3520 is crap, since it cannot burn this media at 16x, while (some) other burners can.

However, when looking at the overal performance of the 3520 and when looking at testresults of CMCMAG-burns in a wide variety of DVDRW-drives, I would say that it is CMC’s fault. Their media is regarded as low-quality stuff by a large part of this community.

Regards,
Thom

PS About the Nero-thing: updating Nero has no priority, do this when you have some time left.


#6

Thom,

Thanks for the explanation(s)!

Jim