New DVD decrypter version - flash still needed for bitsetting?

sforza 2005-01-31 14:53:41 UTC #1

Hello,

I've been reading a lot about bitsetting today because I didn't know what it meant but now I do know. This happened after I burned a home movie authored DL+R disc and not being able to play on home DVD.

Ok, I know all that stuff about increased compatibility with setting booktype to DVD-ROM. I was going to flash my drive (NEC 3500A) with Liggy And Dee's ND-3500 firmware V2 Beta 6, but then I saw new DVD Decrypter v3.5.2.0

http://www.k-probe.com/bitsetting-booktype-faq.php

DVD Decrypter Updated 1/5/2005: Please download the new version DVD Decrypter v3.5.2.0 Utility for your Burner: DVD Decrypter's Official Website, with added Booktype Support for NEC and Plextor drives.

All I want is to be able to burn my home movies with DVD Decrypter, having booktype setting as DVD-ROM.

All the disabled rip lock and so on features are not necessary for me, at least by the moment.

My drive currently has fw v2.16 (the original it was shipped with). What should I do? is flashing to Liggy And Dee's fw needed? Will just DVD Decrypter's new version just work with any firmware?

Anyway, I suppose flashing to official 2.18 is recommended.

Thanks in advance.

sforza

Dee 2005-01-31 14:57:40 UTC #2

You still need a firmware that supports bitsetting to set booktype DVD-ROM

sforza 2005-01-31 15:02:59 UTC #3

Thanks for the quick reply.

What about the changes availiable? What would happen if I reach the 500 times limit?

Saying it on other words... Do I need the DVD+R booktype for anything? or will DVD-ROM work always? If that happens, there's no need to go backwards and then we only need a single change.

Dee 2005-01-31 15:08:58 UTC #4

Once bitsetting is set, its remembered and doesn't require setting again
Set to booktype DVD-ROM and its set unless you change it again.

You can have bitsetting without the media speedups here

ako 2005-01-31 15:10:30 UTC #5

not quite sure about your question dut here goes, once you set the booktype to dvd-rom all your +R disc will be burned as booktype dvd-rom. and if you need more than 500 changes you can reset the counter.

edit: Dee just pipped me

sforza 2005-01-31 15:23:38 UTC #6

I've been thinking for a moment and I've decided that I've done firmware flashes before with my good old LiteOn 48125S and everything went fine, so I'm going to give your "Liggy And Dee's ND-3500 firmware V2 Beta 6" a try.

I get specific custom burning strategies, rip lock disabled plus region free... sounds good! and should not hurt my drive.

I'm not going to test the fw at the link you gave me because I need DL+R bitsetting and that seems to not include it:

patched NEC 2.18 firmware including bitsetting support for single layer DVD+R and DVD+RW

My main need is authoring DVD+R9 movies -weddings mainly- made by myself using Adobe Premiere and TMPGEnc DVD Author, then created ISO to burn in DVD Decrypter. Having booktype to DVD-ROM, of course.

Do you think there's any problem with this version for what I need ?

And a last question: There's no problem flashing from 2.16 or should I flash to 2.18 before, then LD version?

Thanks a lot for you quick help.

Dee 2005-01-31 15:29:47 UTC #7

you can flash direct to any firmware using the supplied package, no need to flash to another firmware first.
Make sure you read the documentation regarding DL bitsetting

sforza 2005-01-31 15:39:20 UTC #8

Ok thanks.

I already did it

I'm pasting it here just for the record:

from the documentation:

Q: How do i use DL +R bitsetting?
A: Run the supplied Binflash application. Click on the BOOKTYPE button and then the DL +R tab, change this to booktype DVD-ROM then click on APPLY. This setting is stored and does not need to be run again, unless you wish to change the booktype back to DL +R
Note
A few people have reported a problem with BOOKTYPE (DVD-ROM ) while burning a DVD+R9 (DL) disc with 2.18 firmware.
You are advised to switch on BOOKTYPE DVD-ROM in your burning software before burning a DL disc then switch it back off for SL +R discs.

Is there any way I can check the booktype of a disc after it's been burnt? To check if everything went fine.

Thanks again.

DevHead 2005-01-31 15:57:24 UTC #9

Nero usually tells me that the booktype has changed to DVD-ROM for a DVD+R disc.

ako 2005-01-31 16:11:42 UTC #10

DVDidentifier

NightSta 2005-01-31 22:31:39 UTC #11

Your B4 (yes, I know - B6 is out) of hacked 3500 FW still shows media type as +R, book type as DVD-ROM. Nero, DVD Decrypter, DVDInfoPro et al all report or show the +R discs as +R (with only a mention of DVD-ROM in "last physical recorded" info window on say, DVD Decrypter). Is this normal, as I saw many different Nero CD-DVD Speed graphs showing DVD-ROM where mine shows DVD+R.

ako 2005-02-01 03:20:57 UTC #12

yes, disc type will allways be +R you only change the booktype to dvd-rom.

goto options in cd speed and select DVD info as booktype instead of disc type.

NightSta 2005-02-01 15:03:04 UTC #13

The troubling thing is, on my old NEC 2500 all the same software as mentioned (DVD Decrypter, CD-DVD Info, et al) on +R reports it as DVD-ROM. My Pioneer -R only drive can read these; but on the 3500 it won't (because it's +R media, and reflected as such in those programs even tho the 2500 reflected DVD-ROM).

sforza 2005-02-01 23:41:05 UTC #14

Ok let's see: I flashed to Liggy And Dee's V2 Beta 6, flash went ok. Then I uninstalled DVD Decrypter and installed the latest version. Checked twice bitsetting was DVD-ROM on both binflash and dvd decrypter for DL+R.

I burned the disc at 2.4x and now I got a disc that works perfect on the nec3500 with powerDVD but it doesn't on two different home dvd players, a phillips home cinema and a cheap divx one. On these two you can see without problems first layer, but if you wait until layer change or go trough direct chapter selection to one of the latest, placed at the second layer, the lens gets crazy and the player locks itself. Just unplugging from electricity will solve this.

what I'm doing wrong? Is this the right procedure? I can't test a lot of times, each DL+R media is 9â‚¬...

thanks in advance.

Squirrel 2005-02-02 14:20:02 UTC #15

I've never played with DL's before (yes, indeed, the price...) but to me it seems you've done things right. The strange thing is, cheap DVD players aren't very picky, they play just everything you put in it, including -R and +R discs without bitsetting. And the same goes for Philips players. So your disc should have played anyway, regardless of bitsetting!

Maybe there's something wrong with your media, not all DL media are supported by unpatched NEC firmwares... Could you dump the MID of your DL media, using DVDIdentifier (mentioned and linked earlier in this thread) and post it here? Maybe some firmwaremodder can clear things up.

sforza 2005-02-03 00:52:30 UTC #16

Thanks for replying Squirrel.

Glad to hear I've done things right. I was starting to suspect I forgot something very basic but very important...

BTW, at this time I've tested on 4 home dvds more and none worked.

I'll be posting the MID of my media at lunch time, when I fire up my other computer after class. But I would say I checked the list of the DVD media they included on the modded fw and mine (verbatim MKM +R DL 2.4x certified) was there, because I see the ability to burn at 4x in DVD decrypter, as that list announced.

I have a last good idea: almost every people reporting successful DL burns used it to backup already existing DVD movies or data (XBOX and PS2) from what I have read here and on other forums. So, supossing they used DVD decrypter as that being the easiest and most reliable software to do backups, they were burning DL media using an .ISO and a .MDS files as source.

BUT that's not what I'm doing, because I'm creating my own DL discs from my own video, using TMPGEnc DVD Author. At the last step of DVD Author, I choose to create an ISO image. So I get an ISO file. Only. No .MDS at all. Then I burn that .ISO with DVD Decrypter. That's is the only difference I can find between those reporting success and me.

So: what's the information being stored on a .MDS file? it's about layer break maybe?

thanks.

daredare 2005-02-03 01:15:50 UTC #17

Did you try to generate your DVD structure in a harddrive folder with TMPGEnc DVD Author, and then burn the contents of this folder with Nero as a DVD Video ?

Squirrel 2005-02-03 04:17:02 UTC #18

Exactly the idea that came into my mind when reading the summary of sforza.

Regarding the .ISO and .MDS formats: AFAIK .ISO is limited to a certain filesize (I guess 4GB) and therefore unsuitable for DL mastering. The .MDS is an extension of the .ISO fileformat and its main purpose is to get rid of the filesize limit. At least, that's what I've heard about it... If I'm wrong, somebody please correct me!

DirtyRobotFeet 2005-02-03 07:32:42 UTC #19

The reason to use .MDS for DL burns is that it contains the layer break info.

DRF

sforza 2005-02-03 11:33:57 UTC #20

No, I didn't.

I'm waiting to hear from another guy on another forum, maybe he's reporting success on this. Have anyone of you tried this successfully with nero too?

DL media is pretty expensive to keep trying without a little investigation on what you are doing before