New Comp build

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#1

Note: the only experience I’ve had so far is installing a 64 gb ram upgrade in a very old compaq and a wifi-card in a newer (term used loosely) gateway. never built a new computer.

I’m trying to build a decent, compact, gamimg comp. I’ve been saving my money and am close to building it.

The case I want to use a small case like this for example. which restricts me to micro atx.

Unless I’m wrong, I can’t pick my memory untill I pick my mobo, and that can’t be picked untill I choose a CPU. When I started going to the various forums on the net I cooresponed with some users and I picked a Intel Wolfdale E8400. But once when I was in Best Buy, I was having a conversation with an employee, and when I said I was going with Intel, he was very adamant about AMD. Now I’m back to square one. I’ve read somewhere that an AMD chip at clockspeed X will get a job done faster than an Intel chip at the same speed, but it said that Intel started to use the same methods as AMD so this may no longer hold true.

Also I want to use a tv tuner, and hdmi in/out… eventually. I plan to use my TV as my monitor. It has VGA, HDMI, AV, S-Video, and (I have no plans on using this… ever) YPbPr.

Anyway, in terms of power, I just need enough to play some of the higher end games. I’m going to be doing some video conversion too, but I’m not aiming to gear it for that.

I also chose this as my hard drive and this for my optical drives.

Thanks for the help. I’ve never built a computer before and I really don’t want to skrew it up.


#2

If you could specify an approximate amount in terms of dollar value that you are willing to spend. I am sure that you will get loads of suggestions be it AMD or Intel. It’s really tough to pin point what you want when you say that you want to play some games and do some video editing . Depending on what your expectations are this could be a little or a lot of money.

:cool::cool:


#3

Yes, a budget and clearly defined use would be good.
Lacking that, if I were building an AMD MATX box today, I would look seriously at this board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128090
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2008/gigabyte/GA-MA78GM-S2H/g1.htm
From all reports, looks like a future Hall-of-Famer
One of the Black Editions would fit nicely :iagree:

I wouldn’t buy Maxtor, my comfort zone is Seagate or WD.


#4

If you want to compare processors, check this site:

Nothing against Seagate or WD, but I used to have few Maxtor drives and had absolutely no problem with them.


#5

Currently Intel has the performance edge, I guess it depends on how much gaming you want to do. If you plan to overclock and squeeze every last fps out of the system then go with intel, if you want to save some money and still get top performance then get AMD.

The gigabyte board that jflan suggested is an excellent choice.
A 2.8Ghz dual core cpu AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400+ Brisbane 2.8GHz

4 gigs of ram Transcend 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800. The motherboard will acutally want ddr2-667 ram but its better to buy faster ram for the same price, and then just set the speed in the bios to ddr2-667.

The motherboard has high quality on board video, that is also capable of running crossfire when you add an ATI video card. The MB also already has HDMI output that you can use for your TV. You can either get a video card now, or wait about 2 months and get the new 4870. Right now the new 4850 is available for 200 bucks. If you want a video card now and for a good price then check out this one and this one


#6

edit: my first post said I installed a 64GB ram upgrade, it was 64MB. XP

If I had to pick a price ceiling, I would say:
100$ for the mobo,
250$ for the CPU,
Whatever is needed for the memory,
If a decent mobo or CPU is just out of these ranges I’ll go a little higher.

I’m not emphasising video editing, but I will wind up doing that.

I was also looking at video cards. Do I need to get one concidering the mobo sugested by jflan since it has VGA and hdmi? As I understand, video cards do all the “video number crunching” (can’t think of a better way to put it) so the rest of the computer can concintrate on other things. Chances are I’m dead wrong.

I’ve been to Tomshardware.com and according to what I saw, intel beat the pants off of AMD most of the time. But this contrasts to the pages I’ve seen saying that AMD is better for gamming.

THanks for the help.

edit: I was writing this post when eric93se made his post.


#7

yeah your “dead wrong” :slight_smile:

When video editing its just about all cpu, sure you need decent video, but there is no crunching offloading to the video card. Especially transcoding, its all cpu.

Well seems your willing to spend a good amount on a system, you can go intel if you want. But I would stick with what we’ve said so far, but upgrade to an AMD quad core phenom cpu. AMD Phenom 9550 Agena 2.2GHz Socket AM2+ 95W Quad-Core Processor


#8

Having in mind thermal properties of the hardware (he is going for a very small case) I’d say Gigabyte GA-Q35M-S2, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146732,Intel E8400 CPU or similar which is a lot cooler than a Phenom and a video card if you want HDMI.
//Danne


#9

that link there danne is broken.

But yeah, tacktile fart, if you want a high end system intel is the way to go. The only problem is that there are few matx MB’s to get. Ideally you should get a P45 chipset board P45 boards


#10

Be aware of the running temp’s of the cpu, and make sure that you have good air flow through the case. Bigger cpu’s will run hotter and will need cooling.

Gigabyte GA-Q35M-S2 is a nice board and should be one taken into consideration.

:cool::cool:


#11

Gigabyte GA-Q35M-S2 is a nice board and should be one taken into consideration.
:cool::cool:

I would not go with this Gigabyte board because it does not have on-board HDMI and it has x3100 graphics which may never be DX10 compliant*.
*Depends on whether or not Intel wants to spend the man hours to upgrade the firmware. Right out of the box you are having to buy add-on cards to bring it up to speed with GA-MA78GM-S2H.
Although Intel does have the edge at the moment in processor performance, there apparently is no Intel solution that can match the aforementioned Gigabyte HDMI board.
In this chart the 45W processor (BE-2350) would also be a good companion for GA-MA78GM-S2H esp. for a pure HTPC in a small box:


#12

Okay. So right now I’m looking at this.
MB: Gigabyte GA-Q35M-S2H
Mem:Mushkin 2GB 240-pin DDR2 RAM. Do these come only in singles or can I buy a 4GB kit? And do they come in 4GB versions?
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
Video Card: Still don’t know. I’m not sure how they work. Sugestions?
Case: Either this one or this one.
Optical: Asus DRW-2014L1 DVD Burner
Hard Drive: Maxtor Ultra 16 L01F500 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
PS: Don’t know what to look for when picking one.

Input?

edit: my timing sucks…


#13

[quote=jflan;2082664]I would not go with this Gigabyte board because it does not have on-board HDMI and it has x3100 graphics which may never be DX10 compliant*.
*Depends on whether or not Intel wants to spend the man hours to upgrade the firmware. Right out of the box you are having to buy add-on cards to bring it up to speed with GA-MA78GM-S2H.
Although Intel does have the edge at the moment in processor performance, there apparently is no Intel solution that can match the aforementioned Gigabyte HDMI board.
In this chart the 45W processor (BE-2350) would also be a good companion for GA-MA78GM-S2H esp. for a pure HTPC in a small box:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/03/04/amd_780g_integrated_graphics_chipset/11[/quote]

Take Note, I did not say go with this board. I said it should be taken into consideration. The board that you mentioned should also be taken into consideration. You know as well as I do that the combination choices are so vast.

@ Tactical Fart

Your Ram, Yes

Link:http://www.ncixus.com/products/23895/996587/MUSHKIN/

Another board to look at is MSI’s K9A2GM-FIH

Link: http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K9A2GM-FIH&class=mb

:cool::cool:


#14

[QUOTE=platinumsword;2082676]Take Note, I did not say go with this board. I said it should be taken into consideration. The board that you mentioned should also be taken into consideration. You know as well as I do that the combination choices are so vast.[/QUOTE]
Noone wants their recommendation to be criticized, that is a given, but in the interest of the OP, the facts (as best we know), should be presented.
So, to rephrase, “I would not consider that Intel board because…”

Yes, the solutions are vast, but researching and floating ideas together are how we can help each other find those few shining stars.
And then after all that, the OP will go in a completely different direction :slight_smile:


#15

MSI’s K9A2GM-FIH looks pretty good.

So assuming everything else doesn’t change I’m looking at either

A. Going w/ Intel.
mobo: Gigabyte GA-Q35M-S2H
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor

B. Going with AMD
Mobo: MSI’s K9A2GM-FIH
CPU:AMD Phenom 9550 Agena 2.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 95W 65nm Quad-Core

Comment: jflan sounds pretty wise.


#16

The GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-S2H has much better on board audio.

For the PSU, go with Seasonic, they are the best, and you don’t have to go over 500 watts.

Personally I can’t reccomend Q35/G35. But if you were willing to get a P45 Intel based MB it would be best, but there are no mATX P45’s that I know of.


#17

[quote=jflan;2082697]Noone wants their recommendation to be criticized, that is a given, but in the interest of the OP, the facts (as best we know), should be presented.
So, to rephrase, “I would not consider that Intel board because…”

Yes, the solutions are vast, but researching and floating ideas together are how we can help each other find those few shining stars.
And then after all that, the OP will go in a completely different direction :)[/quote]

You are correct there. It’s tough to come out and say that you have this and this, without knowing a total budget.

But let’s say we deal with what we have so far. Rough dollars.

1] MB - $100.00 - $200.00

2] CPU - $195.00

The rest of your pieces approx price

3] RAM 4G - $100.00 - $150.00

4] PSU 600W - 800W - $ 100.00 - $150.00

5] CASE - $100.00

6] HD - $ 100.00

7] VIDEO CARD DX10 - $200.00

8] BURNER - $40.00

Depending on the combinations you would be looking at $ 1000.00 - $1200.00 approximately.

Is this the kind of dollar figure you were looking at spending?

:cool::cool:


#18

[QUOTE=platinumsword;2082718]
Depending on the combinations you would be looking at $ 1000.00 - $1200.00 approximately.

Is this the kind of dollar figure you were looking at spending?

:cool::cool:[/QUOTE]
More or less. I might have to wait a little longer if it goes just out of my range, but once I get it up and running, it will be worth it for the experience alone. Reading about building a computer and actually doing are two completely different concepts.


#19

[B][U]AMD BUILD EXAMPLE

MB[/U]

[/B]GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-S2H - $89.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128090

[B]or [/B]

MSI K9A2GM-FIH - $79.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130166

[U][B]CPU[/B][/U]

AMD Phenom 9550 Agena 2.2GHz - $195.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103251

[U][B]RAM[/B][/U]

Mushkin HP PC2-6400 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-800 - $100.00

http://www.ncixus.com/products/23895/996587/MUSHKIN/

[U][B]PSU[/B][/U]

Silverstone Strider ST60F 600W - $120.00

http://www.ncixus.com/products/19645/SST-ST60F/Silverstone%20Technology/

[U][B]CASE[/B][/U]

Thermaltake VF1000BWS Black Aluminum - $129.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133035
[U][B]

HD

[/B][/U]Seagate Barracuda ES.2 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s HD - $105.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148294

[U][B]VIDEO CARD DX10

[/B][/U]GeForce 8800GTS - $214.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130317

[U][B]BURNER[/B][/U]

Pioneer Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 10X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 40X CD-R 32X CD-RW 40X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner - $31.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827129020

:cool::cool:


#20

Grr… evil regexp function … :slight_smile:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146732
That’s the correct link which is the same memory as at ncixus.com but single pack and cheaper…
If you’re still going for the AMD router the GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-S2H is a much better choice than the MSI motherboard. Keep in mind that I’m quite sure you’ll run into heat issues getting a Phenom (95W or more depending on model vs 65W for a Core 2 Duo E8***) unless you want a Delta 6000 RPM fan blowing all the time.
As for PSU, get a Seasonic-made PSU it’s well worth it in the long run and you “will” need a modular PSU due to airflow (I have a Silverstone(tek) SG01 box so I have some experience. While CORSAIR CMPSU-520HX 520W is quite overbeefed for your needs but it’s modular and made by Seasonic (their own M-12 series PSUs are more expensive) so all is well :wink:
As for HDD I’d go for WD’s 640Gb HDD because it uses only 2 platters which means less noise, heat and higher transfer rates and it’s not expensive either.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218
As for video card it all depends on what you want to do, if you just want to view film, edit photo etc you’ll be fine with lets say Radeon 3450 although if you want to do some gaming a Radeon 4850 would be a better choice but it will also add more heat and noise to your build. Have in mind that you will get worse picture with HDMI than VGA if your TV doesnt support pixelmapping (over HDMI) meaning that you can use the builtin video card if you dont want to game and only have pixelmapping/“PC-support” on the VGA input. You can of course get a video card later on since you already have it integrated.
//Danne