New! Comming From BenQ to Plextor

Greetings fellow Plextor fans, as the title suggests I have been using Benq burners for the last 3 years. 6 months ago my BenQ 1620(best burner ever made) died on me, so to replace it I purchased the New BEnq 1655DW. To make it short, I am not happy with it (average burner IMO) and my old 1620 trounced the thing.

I have decided since I am anal about the quality of my burns to move over to Plextor now that Plex is supposedly no longer a mess having to resort to using rebadged BEnq drives or teac etc…

I want quality Burns, I use only 2 media companies. Tayo Yuden and MCC004 verbatim. I need a burner that will produce good quality DL burns(like my 1620) as well as stellar SL. I want a burner that does real deep quality scans.

I am a bit worried about making the jump to Plex cause there drives are 3 times the cost of the competition, and when ever I come here to read the threads it’s one problem after another with these drives. I have always wanted to experience the Plex quality, however I wonder now if it’s all marketing considering that all the other big optical makers have more resource and money in which they have in many causes produced better burners then plex for 1/3 of the cost. My understanding is that it’s the Plex tools that set them apart from the others.

I in now way am claiming to be 100% correct here guys, this is just what the general consensus is. New BENq burners suck IMO, what else am I left with?

the PX760 PATA version here in Canada retails for $120Can ($99US)
ANy advice or words of confidence or any experience from long times user would very much be appreciated.

Question about my 1620 I always wonder if it was just giving me conservative, and not aggressive enough scans leading me to believe its 98%-99% score in Nero CD speed.

You won’t find long-term 760 users because the drive has been on the market for a short period of time.

Have a look at this thread: http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=183632

The good thing about Plextor is that you will get the best service ever if your European. I’m not quite clear what Plex America is doing.

I noticed as well that the plex forms have very little traffic it’s as if not many people are interested in the plex brand only the few die hards.

All I want to know it does the plex burn better quality then the benq, pioneer 111d etc…

No, the plex burn quality is on par with benq or pioneer, obvious depending on media and firmware used.

then why do people buy plex, if it costs 3 times more, yet offers noting over it’s competitors?

See my post in the BenQ section.
I love my Plex! But I like the scanning abilities of my BenQ too…
Also, the BenQ is the better and faster reader.

But nevertheless, the Plex is the King in my setuo due to the constant high quality burning. (I never write faster than 8x, besides…)

All I want to know it does the plex burn better quality then the benq, pioneer 111d etc…
Since you are using YUDEN000T02, here are burns at 8x in various drives you mentioned. In addition, you can go to spesific forums and browse their Post your XYZ drive scans thread.

  1. Plextor PX-760SA 1.04 @8x AS On, PoweRec On. (link)
  2. BenQ 1655 BCHB @8x SB Off, WOPC Off. (link)
  3. Pioneer 111 8.26 @8x. (link)

So this is to confirm what Corbus said that the burn quality is on par. Although you can see some difference but it’s so insignificant for normal use.

Regarding Plextor drive, Plextools is a benefit that no other manufacturer can offer. Also I feel more comfortable burning DL media with Plextor drives (except for 8x rated MKM003 many drives will do fine).

That’s interesting. Some people found it to be a really good drive and some find it really sucks.

Plextor has done rebadged to be able to offer cheaper drives, not because their own drives had problems. BTW they still do rebadges for that reason (PX-750). It looks like their first BD-Drive will be a Panasonic rebadge.

Both are not only compatible but recommended media by Plextor. You’ll definitely get good burns.

You’ll get (very) good DL burns with Verbatim - and + media up to 6x speed. Ricoh seems ok too. Anything at higher speed will get gradually worse.

Well. Plextor does have it’s share of problems too. I guess no drive-maker is entirely problem free. If you read about problems here then that’s because no problems do not make good questions to be posted…

It’s important to understand that Plextor is a bit of a niche player. Their extra price is certainly not only marketing but extra functionality that you’ll not find in other drives in this total quantity. They cater more for specialists, not the masses. The question to justify the expense is: do you need all these features? Plextor is also often at the very front of development (first 8x, 12x, 18x SL drives, first 6x, 10x DL drives) and of course they let themselves pay for it. As for the price there is also the following to be considered: Plextor drives have a longer life-cycle than other manifacturers drives. The 716 for example was in the market for 14 months when in was replaced by the 755. In the same time Benq had cycled 3 drives (1600/10, 1620, 1640). This also includes very long firmware-support. So the extra price of a Plextor drive has to be put in comparison with it’s life- and support-time. Doing that i personally find that Plextor drives are actually a bargain. With other manufacturers you actually have to buy a new series drive to get a firmware update. Plextor will support you for two years minimum.

Here’s how mine works: http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=183632

Scans are directly related to the reading capability of a drive. A bad reader will naturally report more errors. What is the consensus about the 1620 as a reader?

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But one has to admit that the glory days of Plextor are more or less over. In CD-burning the Plextors were (and still are) really outstanding whereas they couldn’t do the same with their DVD drives. They build good drives but nothing to write home about.

Regards,
weaker

HWP thank you so much and everyone else for helping to answer my questions.

That’s interesting. Some people found it to be a really good drive and some find it really sucks.

Many in the Benq forums say that it probably relates to batch quality varation. None the less I do not plan to have to purchase another drive, and find out I got the sub par one, I would rather take that money and spend it on a different brand drive.

Plextor has done rebadged to be able to offer cheaper drives, not because their own drives had problems. BTW they still do rebadges for that reason (PX-750). It looks like their first BD-Drive will be a Panasonic rebadge.

During the 1620 days, plex was left in the dust. I know things have changed otherwise I would not be here.

It’s important to understand that Plextor is a bit of a niche player. Their extra price is certainly not only marketing but extra functionality that you’ll not find in other drives in this total quantity. They cater more for specialists, not the masses. The question to justify the expense is: do you need all these features?

My 1620 as great of a drive it was died after 120 Burns+60 hrs of dvd movie watching. good drive, shit durabilbity SO HWP what do the plex drives do(there specialties) that the other don’t?

One other reason I wont the plex is that I am told it’s a good scanner. By the way i know DVD combo drives are not as good a dedicated cd-r burners , but how does the 760 fair for cd- burning as well as ripping CD/DVD’s?

One more thing I need to bitch about, I am soooo angry

Plex chargers a great deal of money for there drives, yet they decided to cut the 8mb cache down to 2mb, Rubishhhhhhhhhh

I know Bufferring is standard in most drives today, but I am told that when having to resort to using the buffer that quality degrades, as oppossed to when it’s read off the cache.

My personal experience is, that one 708a died on me one morning when i turned on my computer and thus was promptly replaced by Plextor, while a 712, 716, 755 and 760 all work(ed) fine as long as they where (are) in daily duty (the elder models for more than 1 1/2 years, now in external cases for occasional use). However I cannot offer any hard evidence that Plextor drives are more durable than other drives except that (true) Plextors usually weight more (1kg vs 750gr). Other than that I think it is important to realize that Plextor has to buy components for their drives as has anyone else. So Plextor is dependent on whats available on the market. The market for ODD components however has been in an extreme cost-cutting downward spiral for years now. That has led to ‘cheap’ components in more than a way. Failure of the optical pickup is common nowadays for all brands. Such a thing happened rarely in CD days an thus you can hear people boast the quality of their 8x CD-burners built by Plextor (with still good quality (expensive) pickups). However the comparison is unfair. So if Plextor nowadays takes some hits for minor build quality it’s because nothing better is available and building your own would be even more and therefore way to expensive. Therefore even with the ‘king of quality’ one must nowadays expect (and accept) a drive failure now and then. Sad but inevitable.

I suggest you start with reading these:
http://www.plextor.com/english/news/pdfs/intelligent-recording-whitepaper.pdf
http://www.plextor.com/english/news/pdfs/premium-px-712-whitepaper-6.pdf
Some general sum-up of features is on the product page: http://www.plextor.be/products/px-760a.asp?choice=PX-760A

It does scan PIF over one Block and therefore let’s you accurately check the <4 limit. It does offer Beta scan which will show why there are readback problems despite PIE errorlevels <10. Combined with the other features it offers a complete set of scan features whereas other drives offer these only in part.

IMHO very good. You’ll find some scans in my review as quoted in my last message.

It was one of the cost-cutting measures that allows the 755 to be offered at half the price of what a 716 originally cost. I’d be ready to pay for the extra cost but apparently Plextor found that fewer and fewer people where ready to do so and thus cut it.

Uh? I dont’ get that. The reason for 8MB buffer is AFAIK not a data-quality one. Nowadays there is burn-proof technology to avoid the dreaded buffer underrun problem. Because of this 2MB buffer is plenty. However some technologies offered in Plextor drives do not allow to use burn-proof technology. GigaRec for example. In such a case enough buffer suddenly becomes essential again and thus older drives offered 8MB to offer more security. The new PremiumII CD burner still offers it for that exact cause (but costs even more than a 760 from what i’ve seen. That kind of memory is expensive).

There’s one piece of information, that I don’t think anyone has mentioned yet:
Plextor drives are slow DVD scanners.

If you want to use your new drive for scanning a lot of DVD media, it’s important to realize that although the Plextor drives are excellent and reliable scanners, they are also slower than any other drive I can think of, except professional scanners.

A Plextor drive scans DVD media at 2x which takes half-an hour for a full DVD, but it doesn’t scan PIE and PIF at the same time, so in order to get both PIE and PIF you need to scan twice, which means one hour per DVD. An additional half hour is required if you want to scan for beta/jitter.

There are ways of reducing the total scan time on Plextor drives, by only sampling half the sectors on the disc or less, but that also reduces the “accuracy” of the scans.

[B]Alternative suggestions[/B]
If you ned to scan several DVDs a day, I suggest you get another faster scanner such as a LiteOn drive. BenQ drives can also be good scanners if you only want to scan DVDs burned in the same drive or other BenQ drives, but they are IMO not reliable for scanning DVDs burned in certain other non-BenQ drives.

[B]My BenQ DW1655[/B]
BTW my BenQ DW1655 produces DVD burns that rival or exceed the burn quality of all my other DVD burners, and I am quite happy with it.

Die! :frowning:

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sacasim abit dry I know

His BenQ is doing wonders, get it :bigsmile:

oh… :rolleyes:
Well, i was very pleased with my BenQ 1655 too…until a few days where it died…

Thank you for your kind word.

It’s always a pleasure to know that people appreciate my input whenever they ask about something in the forums, and I reply. :rolleyes: