Yeah, you now sound like you work for LiteON. Oh, sorry--I now realize you don't work for LiteON--You work ON LiteON :-)! Yes all your contributions are greatly appreciated.
But in this case this guy just wants a good drive:
READ HIS REQUEST before you cry "flame".
This is what he says: "I don't care about writing speed, i have a lot of time . What i do care about is WRITING QUALITY, MEDIA COMPATIBILITY and drive reliability." He also says he is willing to go with another brand! So he is concerned because of all the stuff he has been reading in these forums about the LiteONs--basically inconsistent results--some people have great burns, and some just can't get anything better than mediocre.
The 411S and 811S are junk and even you admit it!!! True the x51S are better but still not great. Ironically the 401S was actually pretty good I believe but it's only +. The 812S appears to be a nice improvement but still not quite up to the NEC2500A from the scans I've seen here. Some are pretty good but none are as good as the best NEC2500A scans--some of those I've never seen from a LiteON. Sony has some nice scans like that sometimes.
The purpose of CDFreaks is to HELP PEOPLE OUT, not promote a certain product that some people are fanatical about. Look I love LiteON, I think it's a fantastic company that has made some fantastic products. I'm the first one to promote LiteON and tell people it's the best. But the DVD recorders from LiteON are relatively a new offering and they are having some trouble tweaking them right now.
All his requests don't apply to LiteONs.
WRITING QUALITY: It's often unpredictable on the LiteONs and depends largely on HIGH-QUALITY media. Media is often inconsistent.
MEDIA COMPATIBILITY: LiteON has trouble with a lot of media and many off-brands.
DRIVE RELIABILITY: A lot of people post here saying their LiteON has failed after a few months.
In fact if you think I'm trying to flame which I'm of course not--I'm trying to help this person who is looking for a good, reliable drive that writes high quality discs on a wide-range of media why don't you peruse this wonderful comparison of actual scans done on the same media between a 411S and a NEC2500A. In fact the 411S scans look quite nice compared to the crummy results on my NEW 411S which LiteON tech support says is just fine as long as I can read back the data on their recommended media.
You may not believe me, but you can definately believe these scans:
In fact keep in mind that scanning discs made on the same drive actually is supposed to give better results then scanning discs made on another drive. So the 411S burns scanned on the 411S should give better results than burns made on the NEC2500A scanned on the 411S. But the 411S is so bad it can't even scan its own burns anywhere as good as those made on the NEC2500A.
Even someone on another thread who was pretty set on the LiteON changed his mind after seeing some scans and some debate--he finally admitted the NEC makes much better burns most of the time.
So if you think I'm trying to start a flame think again. No REASONABLE person looking at the information on the LiteONs and the NEC2500A would agree with you about the LiteONs being the best in those areas he is interested in.
Sure the LiteONs are fun for all sorts of hacks and are great for ripping and messing around with the firmware. But for the average person who just wants to burn some discs reliably on average media there are better choices.
With the number of posts you have you should be ashamed of yourself of speaking like this to people spending their precious time trying to help a poor soul asking for fair and honest advice on what to buy.
I TRUELY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT YOU HAVE PUT INTO THESE FORUMS POSTING HIGHLY USEFUL AND INTERESTING ADVICE. BUT THAT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO TALK DOWN TO OTHER POSTERS.
The LiteON 812S retail costs like $10 more than the NEC bulk. So spend more for WHAT? What's the advantage of the LiteON over NEC2500A for reliability, compatibility and quality burns?
Hard data is always better than empty claims.