Musharraf Refuses To Rule Out Nuclear Strike

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PAKSTANI President Pervez Musharraf has refused to renounce the first use of nuclear weapons, as efforts to bring him together with his Indian counterpart appeared to fail.

Asked to state Pakistan's nuclear policy and explain why it will not renounce first use of nuclear weapons as India has, Musharraf said, "The possession of nuclear weapons by any state obviously implies they will be used under some circumstances."

He said, that it would be irresponsible for a leader to discuss such things, and that Pakistan's "deeper policy" is for the removal of nuclear weapons from South Asia.

This morning, the leaders of India and Pakistan angrily blamed each other for more than five decades of conflict, while their troops fired at each other in disputed Kashmir.

Russia and China pressed India and Pakistan to enter face-to-face talks to prevent the conflict exploding into a fourth full-scale war between the nuclear-armed neighbours.

Although the effort failed to bring Musharraf and Vajpayee together for a direct meeting, Musharraf said he had accepted Russian President Vladimir Putin's invitation for possible further talks in Moscow.

"India is continually threatening Pakistan for an attack and also refusing dialogue," Musharraf said after meeting Putin. He said he did not know whether Vajpayee, who also met Putin shortly afterwards, would come to Moscow for talks at an unspecified date.

"Everyone was desiring a meeting between me and Mr Vajpayee," Musharraf said. "I think the whole world is disappointed that we two did not talk and meet here."

Vajpayee said that he is willing to have a dialogue with Pakistan, but there must be a halt first to cross-border terrorism, which India says is carried out in its part of Kashmir by Pakistan-based Islamic militants who have been fighting for 12 years.

India had repeated its policy of no first use of nuclear weapons, Putin said earlier, while Musharraf has "said on the territory of Pakistan there won't be militants. This is what the whole world eagerly awaited from the two leaders."

Greetz from a not so happy Diplomat :frowning:

Sorry for this post, but I thought it has a bearing on a global issue, and that everyone should know


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It seems that more and more countries do not know how to get along whatsoever. It makes me think of kids, you know grade school kids that cant get there way, and the fight because of it.


#3

yeah, but it is nothing new…USA/USSR first to spring to mind


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why are you dissapointed?

Im happy there is no nuclear conflict…

Both sides wont start first. So I think there is no reason to be dissapointed.


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Originally posted by Totibbs
[B]why are you dissapointed?

Im happy there is no nuclear conflict…

Both sides wont start first. So I think there is no reason to be dissapointed. [/B]

Musharraf has said he’s prepared to use all possible methods. Even a nuclear strike. And he says they have the right to begin with it, because they have a smaller army than India. Probably words to scare the other, but still. More and more countries are getting nukes, so the change that they will be used gets bigger:(


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more and more countries arent getting nukes, silly. unless russia really is selling them ;).

i suggest everyone watch dr strangelove. that will make ya chuckle a bit.


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Originally posted by ckin2001
that will make ya chuckle a bit.

I’ve started with that a long time a go. Only cynical living can keep me alive in this world.


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I have only three words that can describe why they wont use nukes: Mutual Assured Destruction. They got enough nukes to do this but they wont. No point in fighting over this land, especially with nukes.


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You want to think about something really scary, think about a small country in the Middle East that has nukes and have a leader that is crazy enough to use them. Religion causes more wars and disagreements than all other confilcts put together. Thank god I am an agnostic!!:slight_smile:


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Originally posted by biggles77
You want to think about something really scary, think about a small country in the Middle East that has nukes and have a leader that is crazy enough to use them. Religion causes more wars and disagreements than all other confilcts put together. Thank god I am an agnostic!!:slight_smile:

Mostly religion is not the cause but the cover for war.


#11

^very true^


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some times i just wonder. what exactly is Religion ? why does it exist in a persons life. it just complicates things unnescessarily. if there is 1 god, then thats that. beleive in him and be happy. sometimes i just hate this world:(


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Religion’s main purpose is to make its practitioners feel as if their lives have meaning and purpose. Therefore, a religion does not have to be truthful. “Truth” plays no real part in religion. It is the illusion of meaning and purpose that a religion provides that is important


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i wish there was no such thing as religion or at least only 1 religion. there are enough problems in the world any way. the more i think about this issue, the more it gets complicated for me. It confuses me to no end.


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@FlyingDutchman

Unfortunately I do not believe that Mutual Assured Destruction will be sufficient to prevent the use of Nuclear Weapons.

The problem is that both countries fighting (India and Pakistan) are both highly religious and most definately in the case of Pakistan (who follow Islam) believe dying for God will recieve no greater reward from him. Thus destroying your enemy even if you die is worthwhile as you will be rewarded by God.

I do believe that many wars/crimes are commited under the guise of Religion but have some other underlying reason. However I also believe many more really are commited due solely to religion.

One thing to bear in mind is what will happen if a nuclear war does break out and a nuke goes astray and hits another country? Will they retaliate? Will this start World War III?

Lets all hope not.


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Originally posted by spunkser21
[B]

One thing to bear in mind is what will happen if a nuclear war does break out and a nuke goes astray and hits another country? Will they retaliate? Will this start World War III?

Lets all hope not. [/B]

World War 3??? Who exactly is going to fight for either one of these sides? India and Pakistan are relatively secluded in terms of political alliances. MAD still applies. I was referring to the governments. The governments of India and Pakistan are relatively sane, they will not launch nukes. That does not mean what you said is false. The people in Pakistan may be crazy enough to do it, but they are not the government.


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Don’t count on the Government being sane.

In my opinion it is far more likely that the Government of a country (often against the general populaces will) would start a war/drop nukes than the actual people of the country.

After all they got their nice big radiation, blast proof concrete bunkers to hide in when the shit hits the fan. You and me along with the people of Pakistan and India and 99.99999999999% of the world well, what was it popular American Ads used to say…“Duck and Cover”.


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True. However, this does not apply to Pakistan. The people there are much more fanatical then the government. They would be the ones forcing the government to press action on India. The people there really dont know much about the non-Arab world, thus they couldn’t care less what anyone thinks because they dont have to deal with them. The government does and that is why they are hesitant to do anything to provoke India. Also, this whole thing is cooling down, according to the papers. It looks like each side wants an end to the tension.


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Originally posted by FlyingDutchman
True. However, this does not apply to Pakistan. The people there are much more fanatical then the government. They would be the ones forcing the government to press action on India. The people there really dont know much about the non-Arab world, thus they couldn’t care less what anyone thinks because they dont have to deal with them. The government does and that is why they are hesitant to do anything to provoke India. Also, this whole thing is cooling down, according to the papers. It looks like each side wants an end to the tension.

So Pakistan is the only cause to this problem? Dream on. Besides, the Western world also doesn’t know much about the rest of the world.

There are also other countries who don’t care what the rest thinks :rolleyes:


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Originally posted by spunkser21
The problem is that both countries fighting (India and Pakistan) are both highly religious and most definately in the case of Pakistan (who follow Islam) believe dying for God will recieve no greater reward from him. Thus destroying your enemy even if you die is worthwhile as you will be rewarded by God.
Sheer ignorance. you are one of the millions of british mugs who trick them selves into thinking they know about islam by reading the hyperbolic text of the popular press tabloid newspapers. people seem to think that islam says to kill your self to attack people you dont like if good - it is a hug e sin. the news papers and tv news elaborate on a misconseption, stiring up islam-o-phobia, when people who actually know what is islam is about (whether they are muslims or not) know that islam is the most loving religeon.

for example the media have played out of proportion the term jihad. ask your self, do you know what this means? most in the UK would say yeah ; holy war. fact is it doesn’t mean this…