Verbatim prices are getting better, no doubt about that. I found a spindle of 8x printable dvd-r by Verbatim that was cheaper than the equivilent Imation spindle. Considering Imation use Prodisc for dvd-r, i can't see why they're as expensive as they are. The reason Verbatim DL isn't dropping much is because there is little competition and what competition there is (Ritek) isn't very good I hear. I was beginning to think that when dvd-r DL was introduced we would see a price reduction, but if Verbatim is the only one producing these then we probably won't see any price reduction. Breaking news. TDK says they are releasing dual layer discs in January.