Microsoft spies on all your Windows 8 installs - badly encrypted

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Nadim Kobeissi, developer of an encrypted instant messaging application has discovered that during the installation of every application in Windows 8 the Microsoft servers are contacted.

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Is this only for Windows 8 (f/k/a Metro) apps, or for any app?

Either way, this should be disabled at once, or at least default to disabled with an option at installation to turn it on.

Also, is this in the RTM version, or in the Trial and Beta versions only?

This is just another reason not no use Windows 8. It seems M$ is deliberately trying not to sell 8?

So M$ is getting into the spy game now, even though this is a good way to cut down on the piracy of their products I’m sure M$ is really not concerned on who owns the copyrights to the software you are downloading or installing, if it is illegal you and/or the website will be reported to the authorities…

I have no plans of buying or using Windows 8 but if I ever did the system that I install it on would be disconnected from the Internet the moment it is activated, not that I’m into piracy or any its just that I don’t like the idea of my personal privacy being breached.

Are we really surprised ? I’m not considering Google and Apple know about every app we install on our mobiles and tablets, and MS for our XBOXes. MS is jumping on the bandwagon, even though there isn’t a “marketplace” store involved to d/l the software from.

One of the links has a practical solution for anyone running Win 8.

[I]You can turn off Windows SmartScreen via Action Center -> Change Windows SmartScreen settings, and subsequently turn off annoying Action Center warnings by clicking Turn off messages about Windows SmartScreen in the same window.[/I]

…a tale…full of sound and fury, signifying Nothing.

[QUOTE=Kerry56;2651673]One of the links has a practical solution for anyone running Win 8.

[I]You can turn off Windows SmartScreen via Action Center -> Change Windows SmartScreen settings, and subsequently turn off annoying Action Center warnings by clicking Turn off messages about Windows SmartScreen in the same window.[/I]

…a tale…full of sound and fury, signifying Nothing.[/QUOTE]

This all very good for us in the know, but what percentage of the total users are we? What about all those who have no idea their privacy is being breeched.
I’m repairing a neighbours laptop at the moment, even after all the time and advice i’ve given her about updating Windows and keeping the antivirus/antimalware up to date, the machine is over run with all sorts of nasties. What hope do all these people have with M$ spying on them as well
I think it’s very unfair.

[QUOTE=Kerry56;2651673]

[B]…a tale…full of sound and fury, signifying Nothing[/B].[/QUOTE]

iv read a lot of [B]Blogs [/B]about mindows 8 Today and a lot of people POSTING NEWS on tecnical forums are Trying to [B]Slag off[/B] W8

My Gist YOU Cannot say you Hate it IF Yoy havent tried it .

:bigsmile: [B]a few months[/B]

[QUOTE=Kerry56;2651673]One of the links has a practical solution for anyone running Win 8.

[I]You can turn off Windows SmartScreen via Action Center -> Change Windows SmartScreen settings, and subsequently turn off annoying Action Center warnings by clicking Turn off messages about Windows SmartScreen in the same window.[/I]

…a tale…full of sound and fury, signifying Nothing.[/QUOTE]

Turning off the annoying Action Center warning messages may turn off the messages the user receives BUT does it stop the sending of the data and other personal info to Microsoft ?

[QUOTE=StormJumper;2651678]Turning off the annoying Action Center warning messages may turn off the messages the user receives BUT does it stop the sending of the data and other personal info to Microsoft ?[/QUOTE]

Turning off Windows SmartScreen stops the transmission of data. Turning off the Action Center warning messages stops the operating system from nagging you about turning off SmartScreen.

This was one of the first things I did when I installed Win 8.

The data sent to MS is anonymous and used for statistical analysis of installed programs, not to compile an individual profile of each user. But even gathering this type of data may lead to privacy concerns, and puts Microsoft under the crosshairs for possible infractions of laws that have been and continue to be developed to protect online privacy.

I’ve no doubt the information could be useful to them in aggregate, but they are poking the wasps’ nest with this type of behavior.

But it is not intended for profiling on the individual level. There are many, many services online that do the same type of thing. Amazon, Steam, Yahoo…the list can go on for companies that do customer data collection. Putting it inside the operating system is what may drive the tin-foil hat brigade over the edge however.

OK thanks Kerry not that it matters to me because I will not be using Windows 8, however I did want it to be explained a little more in-depth for better understanding for those who will be.

And like always you did a good job of it. :clap:

[B]SJ[/B]

Thanks for the heads-up. I’m glad disc-space is so cheap so they can keep compiling this. I wonder if we’ll get a cut if they can sell it? That’d be nice… a few mil, sure.

Of course, on Planet Conspirato, checking the box only means, “Here’s a user to pay particular attention to…” and kicks off some other service phoning home.

What’s that Twilight Zone episode where the two-headed alien brothers invisibly visit a bar, and grant one earthling great strength?

Or am I thinking of Don Ameche and Ralph Bellamy comeback films in the '80s?

Wow, just as creepy as Smart phones logging and recording keystrokes… and allowing techs to read that data for “DIGANOSTIC PURPOSES”… this was possible on BOTH IOS and ANDROID early versions…

Windows 8 is off by default for me… that is… NOT installed!

A quick guide to shut off Smartscreen can be found here:

I wonder how many services shouldn’t be disabled because of promised/threatened phone-home-links into MS? What was that whole DCOM thing about a few years ago?

I wonder if MS will say SecEss (or WinDefender) can’t run without it?

(Side note… I thought Win Defender was old-tech and that MS wasn’t recommending it, but was pushing their Security Essentials INSTEAD. But there it is, two years after SecEss is annointed - Win Defender, running, alive and well. Good grief… Dear MS, does the concept of consistency EVER mean anything? This cooked-spaghetti-against-wall approach is so tiresome…)

MS now stands for MicroSpy .
I turned Defender off a long time ago . There are much better alternatives.

^Windows 8 Defender incorporates Microsoft Security Essentials, so it is both anti-malware and anti-virus in one. It is different from Windows Defender found in earlier versions of Windows.

Kerry, yes, now “Defender” is “all you need for Win8” according to Microsoft.

Today, that is. On this latest press release.

My next question will be, “When the application called Windows Defender sees a threat, is the Alert Dialog Box using the exact same spelling in the Alert Dialog Box’s Title Bar?”

Because they haven’t done that in the past, which always opened the door to the question, “How can I tell a Real Warning Dialog as opposed to a Hijacking Dialog since Microsoft refused to issue alerts with the spelling ‘Microsoft Security Essentials’?”

Grrr… I mean, some Microsoft typist had to spell SOMETHING in the Title Bar… why not use The Correct & Precise Spelling each and every time?

Time will tell… every time I visit BleepingComputer and see all the names that ransomware typists have used in their attacking dialog box Title Bars, it’s so depressing.

Peter Bright over at Ars Technica raises a good point. This particular bit of “snooping” by Microsoft is overblown, and pales in comparison to the information that they will gain through their App Store within Windows 8. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/08/windows-8-privacy-complaint-misses-the-forest-for-the-trees/

I really hate this info about smart screen it is great for MS to see what apps are the most popular ect. but sending info to MS server about any program that you may install is just plain none of their business not to mention and I don’t care what MS will say that your private info will not be shared is pure BS they can do whatever they wish and have done so in the past.

Using the default windows defender another bad idea although it is an antivirus program too.

I can assure you I never used MSE for this reason it also reports back to MS servers what ever security threat that it detects so MS has been doing this right a long anyway you look at it big Brother MS has always in one way or another tracked info about you & your computer habits much like search engines do.

My smart screen is off and will stay that way and I install my own antivirus suite so I can see what MS is doing and block the transmissions with my antiviruses firewall program it makes it a little better and gives me a piece of mind.

JMO.:slight_smile: