They burn well on some burners with some firmware, but more often than not, folk have had problems with them for the reasons mentioned.
I personally get very good burns with them in my LG4163B (A106 firmware), but I'm in the minority.
As for the 4167B....MBIPG101 R04 (either Imation or TDK branded 8x +Rs, Made in India) tend to burn very well.
As mentioned though, you can't really go wrong with TY/Verbatim (apart from the ones mentioned, and the "Pearl White" variety).
Hey! That's my line, I should copyright it :bigsmile: