Bought in the shop as Mitsui (Taiyo) with mediacode Yuden 000T02 given 8 stars.

Surprised the spindle contained MAM-E dvd’s with the mediacode MAM M20 instead of the former yuden code. :confused:

Burned the 1st dvd starting easy on 4 spd with my liteon 811S.
Right after the burn made a K-probe scan.
The average PI was almost 600 :eek:
Took one to my neighbour owning a NEC 3500.
Even worse, averaged almost 800 :eek:
The best result I could get was on an old 2.4 spd dvdburner of a friend of mine,resulting in an average of 180.
Luckily I could sell him the rest of the batch for a cpl of euro’s.
Emailed the shop,still waiting on an answer.
Least they can do is change the mediacode info.
Anyone else bought a spindle of these?

ouch! was that disc even playable? :open_mouth:

HEY HEY MAM-E had a reason when they abuse codes fact is that there own codes simpley suck when it comes to support.

My neighbour and I burned 4 dvd’s, all of em got diskerrors in my standaloneplayer(philips) and his standalone(sony).
The last one we couldnt even get out of the sonyplayer,untill we pulled the cord resulting in a reset and then take it out.

Mines (two 4 month old spindles) have the faked TY code, and they are ok for movies backup. Why don’t you swap the strat?

I would like to see those results!

I tried different strats allready,any one you can recomment?

MAM-A, MAM-E are both trash media, regardless if they use their own codes or steal on from MCC or TY. The results will suck either way. I would rather have legit media IDs and not fake ones. At least then I know where the garbage comes from.

Well it’s abit more complex.
Fact is that the technology is not that bad.
However support of there own codes is bad.
Also usseing just another code which is highly supported will give you higher speeds however the strategy will not match with there dye if it isn’t 100% the same stuff and it probally isn’t.
Really tests like C’t did a few weeks ago and some others show that MAM-E’s dye is actually decent however the support sucks and so does the match with other codes which are abused.

I mailed directly to MAM-E corp. in France.
Even attached a cpl of PI/PO scans of the coasters.
This was the mail I got back.
Seems service is pretty good there. :clap:
Depends IF they’ll swap the media, the question still remains if that quality will be better or not :rolleyes:

Many thanks for your email detailing the problems you encountered with our DVD-R. This is highly unusual due to the strict internal QA controls and specifications that we work with.
Each DVD has an individual lot number found in the centre of the disc. It gives us information regarding date of production, production line, injection number etc. It would be of great help to us if you could by email let us have 2 of the lots numbers in your cake of 25. This will allow us to do some necessary internal checks.
If you can let us have your address we will happily replace the media for for.

Once again thank your for bringing this to our attention.

Fact is they did respond to you. It seems however for me that I’m these days on there black list with which I mean they ignore all my e-mails.

Got me a replacement cakebox today from MAM-E France,with a personal letter from management.

Dear P.

Enclosed as promised replacement DVD+R.
Our apologies for the inconvenience.
Best regards, M.S.
Today I,m gonna burn one of the replaced cakebox.
Seems like the guy took it straight away out of the factory
at the section before they put the dye onit.
Cause the uppersurface is blank,no print,no dye.
Gonna put a before PI scan and a scan from the new cakebox.
Keep you guys informed.

Will be interesting.

Same media code?

It looks like they send me a cakebox with the fake TY code.
1st PI scan 6x burn,no improvement whatsoever :frowning:
2nd PI scan 4x burn,slight improvement,but not worth buying MAM-E media
again! :Z


0000 : 01 0f 01 00 00 03 00 00 00 23 ff 9f 00 00 00 00 …#…
0010 : 00 00 03 59 55 44 45 4e 30 30 30 54 30 32 00 38 …YUDEN000T02.8
0020 : 23 54 37 10 02 4e 72 02 8c 63 16 16 0b 0b 0a 0a #T7…Nr…c…
0030 : 01 19 1b 0c 0c 0c 0d 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …


Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:YUDEN000-T02-000]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD-ROM]
Manufacturer Name : [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [YUDEN000]
Media Type ID : [T02]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [Not Supported By Method 2]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]
[Method 2 Might Not Always Detect All Speeds]

[ DVD Identifier - ]

hmmm, I see you are using a very old drive. Probably not the best idea for new media codes, but since MAM-E is now faking media codes … I guess that doesn’t matter.

Got my new drive today; Liteon 1693S
So I decided to give the MAM-E YUDEN000T02’s a 2nd chance.
A huge difference like night and day :eek:
What a difference between those two drives!
Now I,m questioning my self;are these really fakes?
The PI score still underaverage to be real TY’s?

Burned with Liteon 1693S,only could choose between 6 or 8,burned it 6x


0000 : a1 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3f 00 00 00 00 …&.?..
0010 : 00 00 03 59 55 44 45 4e 30 30 30 54 30 32 00 38 …YUDEN000T02.8
0020 : 23 54 37 10 02 4e 72 02 8c 63 16 16 0b 0b 0a 0a #T7…Nr…c…
0030 : 01 19 1b 0c 0c 0c 0d 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …

If it doesn’t have a serial code like TG001125 etched into the outer hub area, it’s not a true TY 8x DVD+R.

No,totally different code in the outer hub area.
But for a fake I think the scan is pretty decent :slight_smile:

Yeah but the problem is that many drives will default to 16x or 12x burning speed for the YUDEN000T02 code, resulting in a complete crap burn with these discs…

Yes,you got a point there. :iagree: