Yea, good stuff sometimes starts out bad.... Just bought a bunch of cmc media for friends (staples brand). I was one of the first supporters of e01 (then again, have you ever looked through your own post hstory, its amazing how we change), But I was burning the shit out of this stuff when everybody on the forums were still retching at the mention of cmc. Now everybody likes it. Its cheap and burns decent, and even dipshit, worthless companies like memorex have become a reliable buy for some (they quit using dozzens of media companies, whatever is cheapest which might be real ty or princo, you never know, now its all cmc, or mb. Even though I coereced several packs from the local staples, I would have liked some mb to play with (so the 2 25 packs would have been nice).