Originally posted by riiaku
then why does my friend matts NEC 2500A write the Ritek 4x and 8x and his memorex 4x at 6x, my friend brian gave him a 4x prodisc and it wrote at 8x, not to sound rude but maybe you should get evidence, b4 you make quick judgements. Ive also read on here and other websites with ppl that have the NEC and they say they have 4x media and it writes at 8x, some of them write at 6x, but thats still really good, and the writing quality is way better. The point of a DVD burner is to burn DVDs not read and copy cds, thats a perk. if u want a good reader and cdrw get one, but we are copying DVDs and writin quality is top priority, and it dont matter the writin strategy of the liteon, the fact of the matter is the NEC burns better and it writes high quality and low quality DVDs and i have not found anywhere on the net where there is a list that shows that the 812s supports more media, i did find a list of media for the NEC, and it seems to be far more than the 812s. Plus I gave my friend matt a 8x ritek DVD+R and it wrote just fine. I like liteon, i have a lite on cdwriter and a sony cdwriter and the liteon kicks ass, but in therms of dvd quality it seems to be the NEC wins. but for readin and features no.
Allow me to clarify, because I think you're misunderstanding me.
1) I have already admitted that the NEC has better write quality.
2) I am nitpicking on how NEC has been very bad about releasing new firmwares that support new media that did not exist when the 2500A first came out. The Prodisc and Ritek discs that you mentioned have existed for a looong time and are supported. The new Memorex 8x-certified -R disc (CMCAE1), for example, is not. If you don't believe me, shell out some money and buy that piece of overpriced Memorex media and see how fast your friend's NEC can burn it. One benefit of LiteOn drives is that they actually bother to put out new firmwares to support more and newer media. Whether or not those firmware updates resolve its write quality bugs is a different issue. Anyway, bottom line is, give your friend's NEC exotic and new media, and it won't support them as well. Give your friend's NEC mainstream media that's been around for a while, and it will support it just fine.
3) However, NEC's media support problems are mitigated by Herrie, who has done a great job patching the NEC firmware and supporting the NEC community by doing to the NEC firmware (adding bitsetting, adding more media support, etc.) what the NEC engineers are neglecting to do. So between the fact that most mainstream media is supported anyway and that Herrie is adding support for media that the NEC doesn't support, I will say that my point is pretty much moot.
4) The NEC does not officially overspeed like the way you just described. If your friend's NEC does overspeed burns like that, he's using hacked firmware, such as those by Herrie.
5) LiteOn drives can overspeed just as well, if hacked. Have you seen my Ricoh 2.4x discs burned at 8x? Let's see how the NEC handles that one.
6) And if burning quality is indeed your top priority, then I wholeheartedly agree: go with the NEC. But one must note that LiteOn drives are also great drives. Their burn quality problems are with cheap media. If you feed the LiteOn decent or good media, it will burn them almost as well as the NEC does. So if someone doesn't plan on using cheap media and if that someone also wants a more well-rounded drive, then the LiteOn, I think, is not at all a bad choice. I think that the LiteOn drives are being treated a bit unfairly, because deciding between NEC and LiteOn, I think, is really a matter of how you frame the question and what matters to each person. If a person's #1 goal is to have the best writing quality, then yes, it's the NEC (on that note, as I've said, when using general mainstream media--i.e., not Princos or other really bad media that you generally buy from shady places online--the write quality difference between the NEC and LiteOn is usually pretty darn small). If, however, the person wants a more well-rounded drive, then the LiteOn is it. And because of the many NEC opinions, I thought that it would only be fair to point out that it's not as clear-cut, and it all depends on what someone thinks is most important.
*edit: thanks to rdgrimes, I have now seen the 2500A burn a 2.4x Ricoh disc at 8x using Herrie's FW... and that's one sweet burn...