Liteon 411/811 was never made for dvd-r writing?

First of, I like my liteon 411s (currently modded to a 811s). It writes dvd+r discs nicely and with the bitsetting tool it plays on most dvd players. I choose high quality +r media and have no problems.

But the 411s is also a “minus” dvd writer. DVD-r are much cheaper than dvd+r so I have bought samples of all the dvd-r discs I could get my hands on. I think I’ve bought more than 15 different brands of minus discs and so far only 1 (yes, ONE) has worked! All other discs has unreadable parts (Nero will report an error during verify).

Most of the discs where written using the FS0F firmware and a few of them using HS0P (after Zebra v4 modding)

The only -r disc that worked was a Taiyo Yuden disc. But even this has dissapointing Kprobe PI’s (max 827, avg 325)

I have still not tried the Ritek G03 or G04 because I can only buy these in 25 pcs tubs and I don’t want to waste even more money on media if these don’t work either.

Does anyone else have this problem?

Does anyone have success with Ritek’s even though all or most other -r media did’nt work?

Brands do not say much, you have to look at the media id. You may have bought 15 low quality discs. like AN31 or PRINCO. Please list the media id’s that didn’t work.

For me -R works as good as +R, and on the Taiyo Yuden that did work for you, i get PI/PO values of 20/0.06 avg. The discs were media id TYG01.

I can even burn PRINCO, with mixed results though. I use the 4speed ones, and burn them on 2speed.

Maybe you just have a bad burner.

As above, no luck ever with -R media. Here’s the latest with Tayo Yuden on a 411 after FSOJ upgrade. +R is good and can play with bitsetting but -R very bad. Still hoping for firmware to fix this issue. Only other possiblity seems to be that a bunch of the 411s have a problem. Doesn’t seem to make sense this is a hardware problem if +R burns decent Need new firmware to fix this!

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Media Code’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘Media Code’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 86 0d 13 66 78 80 00 .@…R…fx…
0010 : 03 54 59 47 30 31 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .TYG01…
0020 : 05 88 80 00 00 00 01 00 06 08 0f 11 87 78 80 00 …x…
0030 : 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 05 16 0d 0f 0b 0b 00 …


This is the mediacode for the Taiyo Yuden disc:
** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Media Code’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘Media Code’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 86 0d 13 66 78 80 00 .@…R…fx…
0010 : 03 54 59 47 30 31 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .TYG01…
0020 : 05 88 80 00 00 00 01 00 06 08 0f 11 87 78 80 00 …x…
0030 : 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 05 16 0d 0f 0b 0b 00 …
0040 : 09 97 08 0f 0b 00 00 00 0a 00 00 00 00 00 10 00 …
0050 : 0b 05 1b 13 a8 89 65 00 0c b6 89 88 80 00 00 00 …e…
0060 : 0d 00 00 d0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0070 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0080 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0090 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …

I’ve thrown out the discs that were faulty but the dye used were a broad range including princo, Gigastorage Corporation [
GSC002
], Mirror [AN31] , Bulkpaq, MCC and several others. Unfortunatly no Riteks.

What really worries me is that one of the best -r media is supposed to be the Taiyo Yuden and even this will produce poor results with my Liteon.

Here is a scan of the Taiyo Yuden disc.


Why is the disc manufacturer field on you kprobe scan empty?

That is indeed bad. You should not be getting scan results that bad with TY no matter what firmware you are using.
Perhaps a hardware defect. Have you tried the burner in another rig?

Hermy, the manufacturer field is empty because I did’nt click the refresh button under the “disc info” tab before doing the scan. I’ve redone the scan and attached it.

Ssseth, I doubt that the drive is defective. I mean dvd+r writing is fine. This means the hardware is not at fault. It’s either all the media I use or bad firmware.

I’ve searched this forum for dvd-r feedback and seems like the 411s/811s is extremly picky about minus media.


I had my 411S@811S HS0E burn a disc using the Maxel RG02 media, not as good as TY, but considered a “second.” However, my 2 standalones just keep trying to load the disc, but unable to recognize it, yet the PC is fine. When it was a 411S w/FS0F, the Ritek G04s played fine. Since I don’t have anymore of the Riteks, I can’t test them. Here is a scan. Though the averages look fine, but the spikes are just horrendous. :confused:

Media Information
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID PRINCO
Format Capacity Not Formatted
Free Blocks 411107328
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.71GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Media Id Code Speed 1.0x 1385KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
Write Strategy Speed 1.0x 1385KBps
Data area starting sector 30000h
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

media code from one of the others in the spindle since i gave the one from this scan away.

Originally posted by Androlight
[B]Hermy, the manufacturer field is empty because I did’nt click the refresh button under the “disc info” tab before doing the scan. I’ve redone the scan and attached it.

Ssseth, I doubt that the drive is defective. I mean dvd+r writing is fine. This means the hardware is not at fault. It’s either all the media I use or bad firmware.

I’ve searched this forum for dvd-r feedback and seems like the 411s/811s is extremly picky about minus media.[/B]

It is true that this drive can be somewhat picky with ‘cheap media’. But TY media is the best out there and by no means is it ‘cheap media’ and should work great with this drive.
Is this the only TY disc you have burnt so far? I suppose it is possible to get a bad disc from time to time.
Perhaps the -R calibration data is “off”…

Originally posted by Androlight
[B]…I have still not tried the Ritek G03 or G04 because I can only buy these in 25 pcs tubs and I don’t want to waste even more money on media if these don’t work either.

Does anyone have success with Ritek’s even though all or most other -r media did’nt work? [/B]

No problem with DVD-R media here.
Only problem I had is with firmware, I can´t burn -Rs succesfuly with FS0H and FS0J on my 411…:frowning:

Yes, try RiTEKG 04 :slight_smile:

Adding my “worse” scan:
00000000 00 6C 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 65 0E 0B .l…@…R…e…
00000010 FE FF 80 00 03 52 49 54 45 4B 47 00 04 30 34 00 …RITEKG…04.
00000020 00 00 00 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 01 00 06 06 0F 12 …

[You can see one of my best scans here]


pinto just so you know if you didn’t already. Burning G04 media @ 2x instead of 4x causes more errors.

Originally posted by Ssseth
pinto just so you know if you didn’t already. Burning G04 media @ 2x instead of 4x causes more errors.

Ssseth, YES, I know… I burn all RiTEKG 04 @4X:bigsmile:

But in this case the CloneDVD was my “mastermind”, hehe :cool:
[In fact, I think it was burned @2-2,4X (~28 min.)]

Again, as I said, one of my “worse”… :slight_smile:

Thanks for your replies.

I’m going to order some Ritek g04’s next time I need media. If they don’t work I’m going to give up on minus media.

Pinto, How are your results with other -r media? Is it only g04 that produce great results? Do you use FS0F for dvd-r writing?

Originally posted by Androlight
Pinto, How are your results with other -r media? Is it only g04 that produce great results? Do you use FS0F for dvd-r writing?

Out of my more then 100 burned DVDs, ~80 are on DVD-R media.
I have tested PRINCO 1-4X, 4X and BulkPaq orange 4X (on fw FS02 & FS0F & FS0H), Memorex 4X (on FS0F & FS0H) with good succes. Burned this media @2X, 2,4X and sometimes @4X with high PI/POs (max >800/180).
NO skipping movies on my Pioneer 106, standalones and PS2.
Datadisks also have high PIPOs and a lot of read errors, but DVD/DVDRW drives can read them without problems… :slight_smile:

Read about RiTEK here on forum and finaly found cheap RitekG 04 (TraxData). Been burning almost 40 of these @2,4 and 4X (on FS0F), with no technical coaster sofar. :smiley:
[Tryed this media on fw FS0H & FS0J with mixed results. Movies sometimes skipping and it gives me rather high PI/POs (> 160/30)]

Recently I tested some RiTEK +Rs (silver frosted top), with fw FS0J + bitsetting tool. Scans show same levels as G 04 (PI/PO max 40/8).
But my drive dont like fw FS0J for some reason. Noisy and some “grinding” noise at start-up and in the begining of burn/scan… :confused:
With fw FS0F they burn and play like charm.! :wink:

Well, it’s frustrating to see my 411S not burning as well as it can. Here is another Maxell RG02, but back as 411S w/FS0F. Doesn’t play on standalones again. :sad: I’m beginning to think that the drive wasn’t calibrated properly from the factory.

Hi,

I’ve been following this thread and since I’ve been facing this problem for all my 811S existence I wonder,

What do you mean by:

Originally posted by Ssseth
…Perhaps the -R calibration data is “off”…

My -R burns are only recognized by 811S itself, thought the Kprobe scan gives acceptable results the disk is not readable in any other player.

This has happened with several types of media, labeled as:

  • PRINCO
  • EMTEC
  • DIVA
  • SENTINEL

Is this a ‘live with it’ situation of 811S…?

Comments are welcome.

Originally posted by LC.pt
[B]Hi,
This has happened with several types of media, labeled as:

  • PRINCO
  • EMTEC
  • DIVA
  • SENTINEL

Is this a ‘live with it’ situation of 811S…?
[/B]

One thing people here cannot stress enough and it is pretty the first answer you’ll get when you deam any burners to be crappy is to get better media first. True that some good burners can handle crappy discs but not all burners can.

My 811 burn RITEKG04 just fine. In fact, it even burns CMC-AF1 okay also.

Originally posted by KTL
Well, it’s frustrating to see my 411S not burning as well as it can. Here is another Maxell RG02, but back as 411S w/FS0F. Doesn’t play on standalones again. :sad: I’m beginning to think that the drive wasn’t calibrated properly from the factory.

I never mod 411 to 811 myself, but did you restore the original eprom? I’m just curious.