LG4165B : no DVD-R

Hi,

Suddenly my LG4165B refuses to burn to DVD-R. It was working fine before and I didn’t change anything to my config.

It still burns DVD+R (although it takes ages and makes a lot of noise while at it).
I tried the driver in another PC and it behaves the same. No way I can burn DVD-R anymore, with any software I tried.
Driver starts spinning like crazy, making a lot of “windy” noise, and nothing happens afterwards. It won’t get past the “Lead In” phase, the drive will never stop its noise until I manually switch off the PC. I don’t get any error message, it just remains spinning for hours.

During this strange phase, it doesn’t write anything to the DVD-R, since I could burn afterwards with my old Pioneer 108.

Is this a known death for a burner (man I just bought it 2 months ago) or is there something I could do about it ?
For information, firmware version is DL04.

Thanks for some advice or any trick that would bring the burner back to life.

PierreLo :cool:

If it burns +R and is a dual or multiburner then it should also burn -R.

Post a burning log from your burning software and also what software you use (version?) and most important, what media (with mediacode).

Hi Chef, and thanks for helping !

FIrst, I’d like to point out that this burner was working perfectly from day 1 with the same media (I mean, same TDK DVD-R from the same 50 pieces spindle). This is what surprises me most. Burning software does not seem to matter much, since it fails the same on any software I tried (Nero 6.0, dvddecrypter, Alcohol 120, …)
PLus i cannot provide the Nero log since burning fails and nero never terminates so I have to switch off the PC to stop the drive from spinning like crazy and to quit Nero.

Anyway :
Here is the media code block from DVDIdentifier :

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Media Code’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘Media Code’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 85 0d 0c 87 89 90 00 .@…R…
0010 : 03 54 54 47 30 32 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .TTG02…
0020 : 05 ba a3 22 32 20 02 00 06 09 0a 15 98 89 90 00 …"2 …
0030 : 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 05 15 0c 0e 09 04 00 …
0040 : 09 96 05 0b 0b 78 88 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 10 00 …x…
0050 : 0b 09 18 14 97 88 85 00 0c b8 9a b8 83 00 30 00 …0.
0060 : 0d 00 00 d0 00 00 00 00 …

Here is the “drive capabilities block” :

** INFO : Drive = HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4165B [FW DL04]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-R-DL DVD-RW DVD-RAM
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:TTG02]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

THanks again for your help

PierreLo :cool:

UPdate !

I tried another DVD-R brand (some kind of noname like Princo I guess) and…it works. OK, it’s only 1.5x speed, but it burns the DVD-R :eek:

Now I can’t understand this. I have burnt several TDK DVD-Rs from the same box in the past weeks without any problem. HOw come the burner suddenly refuses to burn them ??? :confused:

Any idea about this very strange thing ? Damn, now I have 3 50 pieces TDK DVD-R spindles that I can’t use or what ? TDKs were the most reliable I had found so far for the price. I can’t believe it stops working like this all of a sudden.

I’m sure there must be an explanation to this. Can you help ?

Thanks

PierreLo :cool:

And here is the burning log from Nero 6.3.0.0. I hope this helps.

=== *** Nero-Burning Rom, History File *** ======

Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: File ‘Wnaspi32.dll’: Ver=4.57 (1008), size=48128 bytes, created 23/12/1997 02:23:24
ahead WinASPI: File ‘C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll’: Ver=2.0.1.68, size=160016 bytes, created 22/07/2004 17:33:44
Nero version: 6.3.1.25
Recorder: <HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4165B>Version: DL04 - HA 0 TA 2 - 6.3.1.25
Adapter driver: <nvatabus> HA 0
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : via Inquiry data (1) -> ATAPI, detected: ?
Connected to MMC as unknown drive with class-nr : 1
Drive is autodetected - recorder class: Std. MMC recorder
CD-ROM: <Generic DVD-ROM >Version: 1.0 - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.3.1.25
Adapter driver: <d347prt> HA 1

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : ST3120026A nvatabus Port 0 ID 0 DMA: Off
CdRomPeripheral : HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4165B nvatabus Port 0 ID 2 DMA: Off
DiskPeripheral : Maxtor 7Y250P0 nvatabus Port 0 ID 3 DMA: Off
CdRomPeripheral : Generic DVD-ROM 1.0 d347prt Port 1 ID 0 DMA: Off

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4165 G: CDRom0
Generic DVD-ROM H: CDRom1

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 74448896 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 511MB (523760kB)
Free physical memory: 43MB (44920kB)
Memory in use : 91 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)

12.1.2006
Burn DVD Image
00:25:59 #1 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 126
Reader running

00:25:59 #2 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
Writer HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4165B running

00:25:59 #3 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3152
Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media

00:26:00 #4 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 247
Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
Last address to be written: 2286005 (508:00.05, 4464MB)

00:26:00 #5 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 259
Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)

00:26:00 #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2162
Recorder: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4165B, Media type: DVD-R
Disc Manufacturer: TTG02 -
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193

00:26:00 #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 420
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================

00:26:00 #8 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 813
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (2 - CD-ROM Mode 1, ISO 9660)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 2286006 (2286006) = #2286006/508:0.6
not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2286006 blocks [HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4165B]
--------------------------------------------------------------

00:26:00 #9 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 984
Prepare recorder [HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4165B] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: “”
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc not fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4681740288, ISRC “”
DAO layout:
===========
_Start|___Track|Idx|RecDep|CtrlAdr
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
2286006 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41

00:26:00 #10 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1855
Caching of files started

00:26:00 #11 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4163
Cache writing successful.

00:26:00 #12 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1855
Caching of files completed

00:26:00 #13 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1855
Burn process started at 8x (11*080 KB/s)

00:26:00 #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2344
Verifying disc position of item 0 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

00:26:00 #15 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1713
Set remaining time: 7:07,617 (427617ms) -> OK

00:26:00 #16 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2000
Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode for Multisession

00:26:00 #17 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 20660
Set BUFE: supported -> ON

00:26:00 #18 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2141
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

00:26:00 #19 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8230
---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26127F h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 2FE10 h
Start sector number of the next Border-In: 2FFA0 h
Media Specific [16…63]:
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00 02 FE 10 00 02 FF A0 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …

00:30:51 #20 SCSI -1135 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1445
SCSI Exec, HA 0, TA 2, LUN 0, buffer 0x03CC3000
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
Sense Code: 0x0C
Sense Qual: 0x00
CDB Data: 0x5C 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0C 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0x71 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x10
0x32 0x4D 0x03 0x0C 0x0C 0x00

00:30:51 #21 SCSI -1064 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1445
SCSI Exec, HA 0, TA 2, LUN 0, buffer 0x03840000
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
Sense Code: 0x21
Sense Qual: 0x02
CDB Data: 0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x10
0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x0C 0x21 0x02

00:30:51 #22 CDR -1135 File Writer.cpp, Line 304
Write error
HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4165B\H0 T2

00:30:51 #23 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
all writers idle, stopping conversion

00:30:51 #24 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 223
conversion idle, stopping reader

00:30:51 #25 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2383
EndDAO: Last written address was 31

00:30:51 #26 Phase 133 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1855
Writing short lead-out

00:30:52 #27 SCSI -1135 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1191
SCSI Exec, HA 0, TA 2, LUN 0
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
Sense Code: 0x0C
Sense Qual: 0x00
CDB Data: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0x71 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x10
0x32 0x4D 0x03 0x0C 0x0C 0x00

00:30:52 #28 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1713
Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

00:30:52 #29 CDR -1135 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 164
Write error

00:30:52 #30 TRANSFER -24 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 164
Could not perform end of Disc-at-once

00:30:52 #31 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1713
Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

00:30:52 #32 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1855
Burn process failed at 8x (11*080 KB/s)

Existing drivers:
File ‘Drivers\ASPI32.SYS’: Ver=4.57 (1008), size=23936 bytes, created 23/12/1997 03:02:46
File ‘Drivers
vatabus.sys’: Ver=5.10.2600.0446 built by: WinDDK, size=79360 bytes, created 03/06/2004 09:40:46 (Adapter driver for rec)
File ‘Drivers\d347prt.sys’: Ver=3.47.0.0 built by: WinDDK, size=5248 bytes, created 22/08/2004 15:31:48 (Adapter driver for src)

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

====== *** Nero-Burning Rom, History File *** ======

Based on your log, DMA is turned off for all your drives including your burner, which would definitely explain the 1.5x burning. Also, I see you are using the nVidia IDE drivers which have been known to cause numerous problems with DVD drives, and could be causing problems as well, possibly even the no-write on those DVD-R’s. I first recommend you go into the nVidia nForce setup program and uninstall the nVidia IDE drivers (leave the other nVidia drivers installed), and after a reboot, windows should install the Microsoft IDE drivers. Once that is done, go into Device Manager, click the plus sign next to IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers, then double click the primary channel, go to the Advanced Settings tab and either post a screenshot or tell us what is listed there. Do the same for the secondary channel.

Thank you BeefJerky.

I didn’t event think about checking DMA since I was 100% sure it was on for all drives :eek: :o
I wasn’t aware of problems with nvidia IDE drivers. I’ll have a look at what you are suggesting.

I’ll post back soon (hopefully with good news :bigsmile: )

PierreLo :cool:

Well, bad news :frowning:

All drives are reported as UltraDMA : UltraDMA 6 for my Maxtor HD, Ultra DMA 5 for Seagate HD, Ultra DMA 2 for LG4165B.

I rooled back drivers to go back to Microsoft ones, restarted Windows as many times as I ws asked to ( :a ), and retried burning a TDK DVD-R.

No luck : same thing happens, same crazy spinning noise, and no burning. In DVDDecrypter, I get an error message after 21 write retries about Write error.

I guess TDK and LG4165B will not go along together well. I bough a bunch of TDK DVD-R for they were really cheap in price, and I never had any problem with them before. Now I might as well use them as bird frighteners in my cherry-tree :rolleyes:

Now if anybody has ever succeeded in burning TDK DVD-R with LG4165, please make yourself known because at the moment, I could as well throw the LG4165B to the garbage can.

Thanks again to those who help here, BeefJerky and Chef, if you have any other idea, I’m OK to try anything (I mean…regarding the DVD problem only, of course :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: )

Now can anybody advice on a good, cheap DVD brand that will work with LG4165B ?

Thanks.

PierreLo

Update your Nero first. It seems to be outdated.

OK, my Nero is outdated, but the problem is not related to Nero. I could as well update any single piece of software on my PC. Problem appears with any burning software and I tried a few including DVDdecrypter and Alcohol 120.
It also appears when moving the burner to another PC with a completely different setup (Roxio burning software, no nVidia nForce chip, one single HD, …)
There IS an incompatibility between LG4165B and TDK DVD-R. I found 2 other posts stating the same thing. So to me, there is no way it could work unless a new firmware appears including TDK DVD-R as a compatible media.
My question is : do you know of any such firmware ? (other than DL04). Would any NEC firmware help ? I read in the forum that some were compatible between LG and Nec.

PierreLo :cool:

… try to burn the TDK with a slower speed (4X)

Thanks Terrier, I did already, but same results.
Another thing : I just removed LG4165B and put Pioneer DVR108 instead, didn’t change anything to the config, and TDK discs burn without problem in the Pioneer.

So it’s more about the burner itself than about the config or software.

PierreLo :cool:

Weird results. Is the firmware on the burner the latest?

One other question, just out of curiosity. You said you were able to burn the other brand DVD-R and +R’s, but at 1.5x speed. Now that you removed the nVidia drivers and have UDMA re-enabled as you say, can you at least burn the non-TDK discs at the proper 8x or 16x speed?

PierreLo,

Since it seems to be related to certain brand DVD-R only, you may try crossflashing it with 4167 DL12 firmware per this thread:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=160820

As the thread mentions, there’s always the possibility something could go wrong, but my 4165@4167 drive is working great after the crossflash. I find that it writes my media better, and maybe you’ll have better luck with that media in your case as well. Worst case, you can flash it back to 4165 DL04. Good luck!

@Chef : yes, latest firmware DL04.

@BeefJerky : In fact there is no speed issue, even with nVidia drivers. In fact, the unbranded DVD-R I tried was a very old one, limited to 2x speed anyway. Burning 8x TDK DVD+R works fine at … 8x :slight_smile: ULtraDMA was always on, don’t know why log files seem to say it wasn’t… :confused:

@Beefjerky : DL12 firmware. I’ll have a try at this. Thanks a lot for the information. If I hadn’t bought so many TDK DVD-Rs before, I wouldn’t worry too much about this and I would stick to DVD+R. But I have plenty of DVD-Rs to use now !

Guys, thanks for all your help, for my very first post on this forum, I can see this is a really helping forum (I coudln’t say the same for some other forums I’m in…)

PierreLo

This is the part I was referring to with the slow burning, maybe I just read it wrong?

BeefJerky,

You read it right. This happened with one particular TDK DVD+R, took ages to start burning, maybe a damaged disk. But it didn’t happen again with other DVD+Rs, which I could burn at 8x without problem.

PierreLo :cool:

OK, I tried flashing with DL12, my drive is now recognized as a LG4167 (thanks Beefjerky for the procedure, worked fine).

But but but…still won’t burn TDK DVD-R.

So I quit. LG doesn’t like TDK DVD-R, so be it. Amen.
Either I throw the burner through the window, or I stick to DVD+R.

Anyway, thanks guys for your help in this weird story.

PierreLo :cool: