LG CD-WR/InCD/Easy CD?/problems

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The forum’s search engine will not accept ‘LG’ as a key so I hope its OK to go ahead as follows:-

I have read through the LG website Data Recording Media’s Product FAQ pages and concluded that my problem(s) have three possibilities. Incidentally I did not find any references to InCD, but rather to ‘Easy CD’ stuff.
Question 1. Is this equivalent software?
Because I don’t know where to start/stop, this is a long story - I shall try to be as clear as possible - Please can you empathise and help – the questions are numbered to help in replies!

I am running Windows XP Pro.
I have installed a new LG CD-RW/DVD-ROM Drive GCC-4522b.
The drive came with an LG Installation Cyberlink disc. At the moment I am not interested in any DVD functions. I want:- a) TO USE THE CD ‘LIKE A FLOPPY’ AS I THINK I AM SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO DO, and b) TO CREATE MUSIC CD’S.

Possibility 1. I have not installed NERO as I don’t think I need to in order to satisfy my requirements above. I have installed InCD. Soon after trying writing, reading, erasing, formatting, writing, quick erasing etc., (in order to find out how to do things), I found that, instead of finishing these functions, ( I tried different virgin discs), I was sometimes getting an error report – “Error writing the disc in F:\ Please confirm disc compatible with drive and not damaged”. I am using only Philips CD-RW80 Highspeed 4-12x 80Min/700MB discs. So the first possibility from the FAQ’s would appear to be that the discs are not compatible! Question 2. Can anyone confirm this incompatibility?
Before I rush out and needlessly buy different discs I would like to consider the remaining two possibilities below:-

Possibility 2.
Question 3. Am I completely wrong in assuming I can leave out Nero?
I want to leave it out (it takes so much space!) because I don’t think I need the sophisticated package.
Question 4. Can I get the functionality I want – see above - by just installing InCD? or Should I be using the ‘Easy CD’ stuff instead?
Question 4. Can I use Windows Media Player to handle the CD Music side of things alongside the InCD software? Or does this even make any sense? :confused:

Possibility 3. I did not take out Windows Media Player before installing InCD ( I think I saw somewhere that all ‘burning software’ should be removed?) I don’t think this had any effect. I had some success before the errors started, but although drag and drop sometimes worked, it always ‘filled’ the CD i.e. in spite of dragging over a small amount of data, the procedure took an age and no space was left available on the CD!
Question 5 Anyone got any ideas on that?

Could you please comment on the Possibilities and questions above! I need your Help! Thank You!
Sincerely – Douglas Blackmore


#2

Hi and Welcome!

LG shipped Roxio’s easy CD creator with their CD writers a couple of years ago. Don’t worry about that, as website maintenance isn’t considered important at LG :bigsmile:

Question 1. Is this equivalent software?
Hm. Yes, Nero Express and Easy CD Creator are equivalent with CD recorders. But Easy CD Creator offered some more advanced options than nero Express.
Both came with Packet writing software, that could be installed optionally. Packet writing software is known to often cause trouble, so most experienced members here recommend not to use such kind of software.

I am running Windows XP Pro.
You already know, that Windows XP already contains some kind of packet writing software?

I want:- a) TO USE THE CD ‘LIKE A FLOPPY’ AS I THINK I AM SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO DO,
Try Windows’ internal CD writing service at first, before you install InCD or similar. Or, if you already installed that, then disable IMAPI service using “services.msc” from Start->Run…

and b) TO CREATE MUSIC CD’S.
You need a CD writing software that supports this.

Possibility 1. I have not installed NERO as I don’t think I need to in order to satisfy my requirements above.
No. Forget the CD writing ability of WMP. Either install Nero or get some free software like burrrn.

I have installed InCD. Soon after trying writing, reading, erasing, formatting, writing, quick erasing etc., (in order to find out how to do things), I found that, instead of finishing these functions, ( I tried different virgin discs), I was sometimes getting an error report – “Error writing the disc in F:\ Please confirm disc compatible with drive and not damaged”. I am using only Philips CD-RW80 Highspeed 4-12x 80Min/700MB discs. So the first possibility from the FAQ’s would appear to be that the discs are not compatible! Question 2. Can anyone confirm this incompatibility?
Recent drives shouldn’t have any problem with 12x CD-RW discs. Install Nero and see if you can use the discs then. I also suspect, that InCD is interfering with Windows IMAPI service. You should also make sure, you have latest Windows Service Packs and patches installed.

Question 3. Am I completely wrong in assuming I can leave out Nero?
I want to leave it out (it takes so much space!) because I don’t think I need the sophisticated package.
Nero 7 or Nero 6? Nero 7 is indeed bloated. For audio CD, there are some other - rather lean - applications.

Question 4. Can I get the functionality I want – see above - by just installing InCD? or Should I be using the ‘Easy CD’ stuff instead?
Question 4. Can I use Windows Media Player to handle the CD Music side of things alongside the InCD software? Or does this even make any sense? :confused:
For using a rewritable disc like a floppy, InCD is indeed the right tool, besides Windows’ integrated functionality. I would not recommend to install Easy CD Creator (or have you already? did it come with the drive?), at least not as long as InCD is installed.
InCD and any other packet writing software is not suited to create audio CDs. For that purpose, you need a real CD writing application, either Nero or some specialist like the already mentioned “burrrn”. I would not rely on the CD writing capabilities of WMP.

Possibility 3. I did not take out Windows Media Player before installing InCD ( I think I saw somewhere that all ‘burning software’ should be removed?) I don’t think this had any effect.
Agreed. Also, it is not possible to remove WMP.

Michael


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Dear Michael,

Let me say how grateful I am that you took so much time, firstly, to try to work out what I was trying to say, and secondly, to give such a comprehensive set of answers. I have not replied sooner because I have not had time to go down every avenue. I propose to tell you where I am now and then leave it up to you to decide if you think you can help me further, although I could not in fairness, expect that!

Reacting to your saying that XP has some kind of ‘packet writing’ software, I started by uninstalling InCD. I then was able to ‘collect’ files and folders as ‘ready to be written to CD’, and then write them. I was able to ADD more files and folders to the CD in a similar way. But I was not able to delete any files/folders from the CD. In this way I have satisfied my immediate need, but this is a long way from ‘drag and drop’ which I still want!
Are the functions I am able to perform above, the XP ‘packet writing’ you referred to or something else?
I have found the IMAPI service – the entry has spaces in the STATUS and Manual in the Startup Type. I mention this because it also tells me that windows CANT WRITE TO CD’s if this (IMAPI) is Stopped. As I consider ‘not started’ to be the same as Stopped, this presents me with a problem – I have written to CD’s but the service is not started nor in Automatic Startup? I acknowledge that I may have fundamental misunderstandings about the whole business! What should I do regarding IMAPI in the pursuit of ‘drag and drop’? or is it not related and therefore a stupid question?
In the course of the above I am now able to Erase CD’s that I have created. I have not seen any mention of formatting them. I have to assume that ERASE implies FORMAT. (Including the possibility that ERASE simply means, write zeros everywhere – no system control areas - and that, that is precisely the required formatting for the XP functions I am using?)
So, as far as Non-Music CD’s is concerned, I still have not got Drag an Drop facilities – I am perhaps expecting too much? I begrudge using 15 to 20 MB (Like InCD, even if it worked) of disc space to hold software which allows me to Drag and Drop!

I have not had the ‘disc compatibility error’ problem since I uninstalled InCD.

Audio CD’s. I took on board what you said about forgetting WMP and getting something like Burrrn. Incidentally I looked up Burrrn and was led to SnapFiles. There seems to be great FREE? software available appropriate to my needs – but I have not yet decided if that is my next course of action, because:- Having got rid of InCD, I decided to give WMP another try. Well it works OK now, although cumbersome (That’s an impression, I have nothing to compare it with) and thus my Immediate Audio requirements are met.

There are many FREEWARE (does that mean free software?) packages under SnapFiles. Do you know which one would give me Drag and Drop with the minimum MBs of disc space usage?

I couldn’t blame you if you are fed up with this thread. Let me again say Thank You for all you’ve done so far!

Sincerely – Douglas


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Hi,

You’re very welcome :slight_smile:

Reacting to your saying that XP has some kind of ‘packet writing’ software, I started by uninstalling InCD. I then was able to ‘collect’ files and folders as ‘ready to be written to CD’, and then write them. I was able to ADD more files and folders to the CD in a similar way. But I was not able to delete any files/folders from the CD. In this way I have satisfied my immediate need, but this is a long way from ‘drag and drop’ which I still want!
Let me just add some information about Windows’ XP built-in CD writing utility I found on Microsoft website:
"Further, by means of the image mastering API (IMAPI), Windows XP enables you to master CDs in the CD-R or CD-RW formats, using simple drag-and-drop functionality and wizard-facilitated processes. When you save or copy a file to CD, the operating system first pre-masters the complete image on your hard drive and then streams the data to your CD burner for recording. Pre-mastering effectively minimizes the buffer underruns that generate errors in the recording process and render media useless (an all-too-frequent occurrence when recording “on the fly”)." (Source: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/evaluate/xptechov.mspx)
According to this, deleting data from the disc is not possible.

Are the functions I am able to perform above, the XP ‘packet writing’ you referred to or something else?
Yes, they are. But it seems, as if this isn’t what you want…

I have found the IMAPI service – the entry has spaces in the STATUS and Manual in the Startup Type. I mention this because it also tells me that windows CANT WRITE TO CD’s if this (IMAPI) is Stopped. As I consider ‘not started’ to be the same as Stopped, this presents me with a problem – I have written to CD’s but the service is not started nor in Automatic Startup?
The IMAPI service is started on demand, so the startup type is set to manual. If other packet writing software is installed, the startup type should be changed to “disabled” to avoid any interference.

What should I do regarding IMAPI in the pursuit of ‘drag and drop’? or is it not related and therefore a stupid question?
There is no such thing like a stupid question :wink: As deleting files is a “must” for you, then this Windows service is no solution for you.
You may try disabling IMAPI service and reinstall InCD (make sure you are using the latest version).

So, as far as Non-Music CD’s is concerned, I still have not got Drag an Drop facilities – I am perhaps expecting too much? I begrudge using 15 to 20 MB (Like InCD, even if it worked) of disc space to hold software which allows me to Drag and Drop!
This is the problem. Windows’ own tool does not offer the functionality you need, and InCD etc. are not always reliable and often bloated.
If you need that for your personal backups, you may consider a hardware solution: A DVD-RAM capable DVD writer, accompanied by Panasonic’s DVD-RAM UDF driver (and of course DVD-RAM discs). This would really give you the “real” drag-n-drop, as the disc is indeed treated like a big floppy disc.

Audio CD’s. I took on board what you said about forgetting WMP and getting something like Burrrn.
Burrrn can be obtained here: http://www.burrrn.net/?page_id=6

There are many FREEWARE (does that mean free software?) packages under SnapFiles.
Freeware means “free of charge”. Sometimes, there are functional restricted versions or come with ads. This should normally be mentioned.

Do you know which one would give me Drag and Drop with the minimum MBs of disc space usage?
None of these (but having ImgBurn installed isn’t bad at all;)). All softwares listed there are normal burning applications. They won’t give you the drag-n-drop you need, unless you have no problem in dragging files from Windows explorer into the window of the burning software. Maybe I have missed something, so it is a good idea to check the original homepages of these programs to get more information about their features and limitations.

Greets,
Michael