[QUOTE=Albert;2725595]None of the discs had uncorrectable errors, so that’s good. But talking about correctable errors:
Fornet CD-R: The Pioneer had the edge, with the lowest overall C1 count according to the scanning drive.
Ritek F16: Half and half; the Pioneer kept 16x and had the lowest PIF count, but the LG had the lowest jitter though it slowed down.
MBIPG101 R05: LG won, by deciding to go slow at the beginning, though as I mentioned, the Pioneer disc seemed to be poor regardless of the adjustments made by the drive.
JVC-AMS6L 001: Pioneer won. Lowest error count in each category, and had lower jitter.
PHILIPR04: LG won overall in just about every round.
So I guess it is actually more half and half, moderately evenly matched. Regardless, it’s hard to say which one outright wins, since each disc model is different from the next, and as you see, discs may burn better in one drive, and the next disc will be completely different.
Just gauge things based on the media you have at your hand. I’ve always seen people prefer Pioneer drives, just because they handle cruddy media a little bit better, but it seems that LG’s BD drives are still pretty darn decent.
–Edit: Oh, and people burn without defect management on all the time. It’s perfectly fine to leave it on or turn it off. If you find that your burns fail, try switching the option.
I’m not sure which software burns with defect management on by default for BD media, but DVD-RAM defect management is always on (whereas other types of DVD media don’t support it). All BD media should support it, but BD-RE (re-writable) discs probably benefit from it more, since re-writable media is fragile and degrades the more times you overwrite certain areas.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for all the clarifications; they’re really helpful!
[QUOTE=cvs;2725597]I’m afraid that you just can’t draw any valid conclusion based on your results. Most of the time you’re actually comparing ‘apples with pears’ so to speak:
- for the Fornet CD-R, you’re comparing a 16x LG burn with a 32x Pioneer burn…
- for the Ritek F16 DVD+R, you’re comparing a de facto 8x LG burn with a 16x Pioneer burn…
- for the MBIPG101 R05 DVD+R, you’re comparing an 8x LG burn with a 12x Pioneer burn…
- for the BD-R burns, both media you’re using is is known for its poor quality and its quality variability, not to mention that the TY one is LTH media which anyone caring about their data should avoid at all costs … speaking by quality, your (CD and) DVD media is equally on the lower end of the quality scale, which always makes meaningful quality comparisons a bit more tricky … particularly when drawing conclusions based on a limited sample set …
The bigger problem in my book is that your CD and DVD burns are all biased against the Pioneer drive from the start, given that all LG burns were done at (significantly) lower speeds than the Pioneer ones. Higher burn speeds generally lead to poorer burn results, particularly for lower quality media… so this is not what I would call a fair/valid comparison.
If you want to make some more meaningful/valid comparisons then you’ll have to use the same burn speed for both drives. A comparison can only be meaningful if you compare like with like …
This is not on purpose. I set the same speeds when burning for each but then the drives, I assume, did their best with what they had. I can try to do it all again with a speed ceiling based the slower of the two drives for each kind of media, if that’ll help.
I understand that my media is cheap, but it’s what I’ll have to work with for the time being (except for the Sonys, those I’ll probably just get rid of; I have CD-Rs and DVD+R DLs that I haven’t touched quite yet either - not sure how good either of them are). Also I acknowledged that the TYs are LTH - I didn’t know the difference when I bought them, but learned soon after
Frankly, based on my experience with both drives (I almost exclusively burn BD-R discs nowadays, so my conclusions are only based on this type of media) if you compare like with like, I would be very surprised if the LG can beat the Pioneer, even though the BDR-209M burn quality is in my experience not as good as its 207M/208M predecessors … my BH16NS40 only seems to be able to beat my Pioneer drives on BD-R media based on the CMCMAG BA5 MIDs, which it seems to like much more than the Pioneer drives. For all the other media I tried, my Pioneer drives generally beat the LG hands down…
Thanks for your input! Is it worth trying to hunt down one of the older drives? I’m still within the return windows for both of these. Other than that, is there any media that you’d recommend in particular for the Pioneer? (I mean, besides like, super expensive imported Panasonics or something.)