Left/right fight fight

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#1

This thread is for anyone who wants to have a protracted conversation about politics. Here you can bash away, please post in other threads if they stay on topic. Some of us enjoy reading other threads without all the nonsense.


#2

This post will not last long politic post always get way out of hand.


#3

Any post about Obama is Left wing to start with.
If it happens to be negative the race card is quickly brought up.
With the negative poster being branded racist .

My view is there is only one race of man. That is the human race.
We all have the same number of chromosomes that is 46.
The variations in color & appearence are just variations in the gene structure.
This is further proved by the fact that the lightest color pigmented person can mate
with the darkest color pigmented person & produce offspring. Providing both are furtile.
Actually there is one species but that equals one race. The same on the inside .
Only pigmentation & features are genetic variables .
The human species can’t breed with other species & produce offspring .
Not even with the closest genetically the great apes .
So to the Left wingers that use the race card . Stop!
Not everyone that opposes Obama is a racist . In fact most aren’t.

I don’t like to use a color label but I find it necessary for this post.
Obama isn’t a representative of American black people.
His gene pool is from Africans that were never slaves in the USA.
I don’t know if they were slaves in Africa.
Unlike American black people that have white in their gene pool from rape by slave owners.
Obama’s white mother willingly married a black man from Africa.
The black slaves were bred like cattle with the slave owner deciding the father & mother.
This means a member of the Tusi tribe might be bred by a member of the Bushman tribe.
Something that would not have occured in Africa.
So the mixed tribe gene pool of American black people is unique to them.
Then add the white genes into that.
Until a President is elected with real American black ancestory the USA hasn’t had an American black President.
I think we will eventually .
Obama has set that backward instead of forward.

Read this for some history on the Democratic party:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2309727/posts

So to the Left wingers . Don’t so readily paint us Right wingers with the racist title without a look at your own parties history.
Unless you can defend this oxymoron : Right wing Democrat.


#4

Geez Chollla, stop watching Glenn Beck and read some History. Africans, like all other cultures on Earth owned slaves. They would capture whole villages, take the hot big bootied girls, ship off the guys and fugly girls, selling them to Hispanics like myself. We’d pack’em up like cord wood, have our way with some, it was a long voyage, then sell off whatever survived to the highest bidder. Hose down the ship and go get more.

The Germans and British were the ones who split up much of Africa, which did intermarry, for 100,000’s of years, or you wouldn’t be here, and then some decided to go out for really long walks. Some of them banged the few Neanderthals that were around (they split Africa much earlier), got a little lighter because of the cold weather, and thus, the first white people came into being. Of course, the early Africans who came up afterwards banged the Neanderthals, which lead to the birth of French people. That’s pretty much how it happened. Race was the only way to respond to your post, because that is how it all happened. Of course, the Aliens that landed and banged everyone here and there after they hit the Tower of Babel and crashed, accounts for all the odd ball curiosities that have sprung up in between, like this poor fellow underneath. He could be called an “underneathital”, and the female variation called a “Palintardineathitpoopicicus”. This is all very common knowledge. You should protest the educational system in your locality, it seems you and your community are owed a refund.




#5

Zathros , I know history . I knew there were slaves in Africa. I was specifically addressing that I didn’t know if Obama’s ancestors had been slaves. Not meaning back to the beginning of time but maybe back to 1800 or so.
Check your history most of the African tribes did not intermarry. That is why there are distinct differences in them. Ergo Maasai do not resemble pygmies who do not resemble Tutsi who do not resemble Bushmen ,etc.

You must be an evolutionist . I’m not .

I’m a creationist so I believe Adam was created by God about 6000 years ago & that is where all humans came from.
To myself & many others :

[QUOTE=Zathros;2571998]that is how it all happened [/QUOTE]
To Christians & Judaists :

[QUOTE=Zathros;2571998]This is all very common knowledge. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zathros;2571998]
You should protest the educational system in your locality, it seems you and your community are owed a refund. [/QUOTE]
I believe my education is up to par even if a lot of it is self educated .
I do read quite a bit.

Last if Glen Beck has said anything I posted in post #3 would you please link me to it . I would like to hear or read it.
I bet you didn’t even read some of the history of the Democratic party I posted the link to.


#6

I wish we could take both far left and far right and put them in one party, so the rest of us could do something to fix what wrong in the country. I am hoping that the tea party will become its on party, not that I agree with everything they want, but a third party in this country would really do some good.

The left or as I like to say the far left would say I am a conservative while the far right would say I am a liberal. And I would say they are both right I am both liberal and conservative if they are both define as shown here.


The problem comes in when both sides the far right and the far left get into calling names, such as the far right being racist as cholla stated, or socialist as so many on the far right like to call all liberals.


#7

“I believe my education is up to par even if a lot of it is self educated .”

A man may masturbate but that does not mean he knows what it is to be with a women, for it he did, he would continue to masturbate.:bow:

The Masaai always do pygmies, it is quite common. That is how average size Africans where made.

African also did not formally “marry”, as in western culture. anybody who has seen the move “Mandingo” knows that they “jumped da broom”. Again common knowledge. They did not marry because there was insufficient rice to throw at the betrothed.

The democratic party was formed when wagon load of republicans went over a bump and some people fell off the wagon hence the expression, “he fell off the wagon”. Again common knowledge. Many of the democrats of these newly formed democrats would buy the closest piece of land next to them, as the economy was in a shambles then henceforth the expression, “they bought the farm”. This lead to a division of society by the wagon owners and the landholders. The wagoneers (later forming a company called American Motors) realized that a horseless carriage would make it easier to move goods and created the Jeep Wagoneer. The democrats realizing their need to "group’ their farming efforts created a machine that was dear to them, naming it after on of the prominent farmers John Deer, it was called the “combine”, which greatly reduced the time it took to harvest.

Mean while, down souf, day was still usin slabes. Da slabes woiked ard but the norderners freed dem so day could sell da combines dat day made.

The freed slaves now having access to the internet rallied strong and that is when they were able to manipulate a women who was sympathetic to their cause, and liked black guys, to have Obama and were able to make him president. This of course fits well into the time line of 6000 years, making of the French of course consuming a large chunk of that time.

Of course, the early Christians we very busy hiding the dinosaur bones in the ground so as to fool the non -Christians and throw them off track, but that is another story.

So Obama, who is the only African to enter America as a non slave has his roots in the slavery movement, and horny white women. The backbone of America.

It would seem that white women are the weak link as they like foreigners, but some times, black guys like white women. This forms the new “mud” races, of which I am part. We are actually taking over the world now, as there is no stopping us because people who are black and white are really horny, and we use that to our advantage. We can marry anyone and they still look like us. Our ultimate goal, is, by muddling (thus the name “mud” people) the whole group of people into one great orgy (in a world sense) we can create the original proto-human again and re-enter the Garden of Eden, as we will look just like Adam and Eve, who every knows were black. White people would have never eaten that apple.

The effort to each it would have been too much. Everyone knows the browner races do better manual labor, especially Spanish people (that is why it is called “manual” labor and not “Bill” labor. Bill’s are what are sent to people who owe money which is held mostly by white people named “Bill”, thus send me the “bill”.

So you see, this is how it happened. The bulk of it rather recently as forming the universe in 6000 years took up much of the time. Creating radiation that would fool science and other techniques for probing the illusion around us had to be convincing, otherwise, scientist would lift the veil of stupidity and ignorance and find out what is really going on.

[I]The preceding satire was done without much though, in response to some posts that were done in the same fashion, I hope, or we’re all in trouble"[/I]

Funny thing is I am Christian, and do not believe in any of the stuff you do. crazy world. Yes fellow Christians must call out whacky ones. Sometimes through the use of satire or crazier statements to show the ludicrous "Talibanization’ of Christianity.


#8

Zathros’ History of the World (Parts 1 + 2)…
this is not quite what I learned in school, but it’s good stuff nonetheless! :iagree: :bigsmile: :clap:


#9

Zathros ,I know better than to turn a topic into a religious debate other than very lightly.
Since you say you are a Christian & if you have a minister (whatever title you call that person) I suggest you ask if he believes what I posted in regards to my religious beliefs. Which part of are:

[QUOTE=cholla;2572010]I’m a creationist so I believe Adam was created by God about 6000 years ago & that is where all humans came from. [/QUOTE]

There is an explanation of dinosaurs existing . That is the six day creation are God’s days & not Earth days. Why should God set his days by the rotation of the Earth? Maybe it took a while to get exactly what He wanted.

For the carbon dating which you refer to as radiation is only a theory. Mankind has not kept this material & observed it till it became another element.

I don’t buy into the theory that I descended from Neanderthals or cromagnan [B]apes [/B].
Here’s a little satire for you: In your case I might make an exception to the statement above.

Now on a completely different subject.
I believe importing good from nations like China or Viet Nam for another example violates the 13th amendment of the US Constitution.
Common workers in those countries are paid wages so low it amounts to slavery. Sure they have a choice . Work for almost nothing or starve to death. Not much of a choice. So allowing goods to be imported that are made by this type labor supports slavery. That is the violation.
No goods should be imported that were made by any worker receiving less than the US minimum wage. This would also level the playing field for American made good at least some.


#10

[QUOTE=cholla;2572072]Zathros ,I know better than to turn a topic into a religious debate other than very lightly.
Since you say you are a Christian & if you have a minister (whatever title you call that person) I suggest you ask if he believes what I posted in regards to my religious beliefs. Which part of are:

There is an explanation of dinosaurs existing . That is the six day creation are God’s days & not Earth days. Why should God set his days by the rotation of the Earth? Maybe it took a while to get exactly what He wanted.

For the carbon dating which you refer to as radiation is only a theory. Mankind has not kept this material & observed it till it became another element.

I don’t buy into the theory that I descended from Neanderthals or cromagnan [B]apes [/B].
Here’s a little satire for you: In your case I might make an exception to the statement above.

Now on a completely different subject.
I believe importing good from nations like China or Viet Nam for another example violates the 13th amendment of the US Constitution.
Common workers in those countries are paid wages so low it amounts to slavery. Sure they have a choice . Work for almost nothing or starve to death. Not much of a choice. So allowing goods to be imported that are made by this type labor supports slavery. That is the violation.
No goods should be imported that were made by any worker receiving less than the US minimum wage. This would also level the playing field for American made good at least some.[/QUOTE]

Wow, you speak Cro-magnon and Neanderthal really well. I applaud your multi-linguistic empathic projectionist abilities and anthropological understanding. it must be difficult for you. I can project what a fly can feel like, but I could never vocalize it, wait, Ill try, “Hhmm, that is some good shi*t”, of course, that could be George Carlin too. Not one person of the cloth I know believes the world is 6000 years old, but then again, I don’t live too far from any major roads, know how to read, have read various prints of the Bible many many times, in a few languages. I have never found anything in there that remotely expresses what you blather.

So your God took a while to get it right! Wow, my God got it right the first time! My God is better than your God!! You’re Christian but believe that I’m descended from apes, so POOF!, there goes you whole theory, of course, that isn’t what you mean,it’s your baser self insulting in an unchristian like manner.

So the first sentient man, The knowledge of Adam, has all this time been residing with you. You are the bastion of all Christian knowledge!!

We should disregard all science and carbon dating and adjust the periodic table of elements and all knowledge of Nuclear weapons and base it on some half witted theory so we can all die and on the way think, “Wow. Choya was wrong, bummer”. Then wake up “in the blink of an eye” while God judges guilty and sends us to hell because we followed, the "Word according to CHolYla.:bow:

" For the carbon dating which you refer to as radiation is only a theory. Mankind has not kept this material & observed it till it became another element." :confused:

That is one of the funniest things I have heard in a long time. Don’t think about it too long, you will burn brain cells. It is really funny though isn’t it?:iagree: I could not have written that sentence.:eek:, Hey, Did Palin say that? Are you plagiarizing her? Would you mind if I posted that on another website?

As far as your views on importing, no one living in Connecticut should import anything from Appalachia. I should not have to elaborate on that.


To all other readers, this is why our education system needs to be funded and maintained. No one can change the mind of someone who no longer wishes to educate themselves, but knows too much about weapons. It then becomes incumbent on the rest of us to remain in power and make sure that the hoards of Palin Tea Bagging idiots do no more than espouse their silly, uneducated ways. Uneducated in a secular matters, and theological manners.


Cholla, I sincerely doubt that you would be willing to do the work that other workers do to satisfy the needs of our country. The element of truth is so small in your statement, I sincerely believe 1000 monkeys banging away at a “speak and say toy”, could have come up with a better statement, so, no comment.

Yeesh!! I hope they don’t let you out on weekends.

(on the off handed chance that you really are only 11 years old, disregard what I said, take this “Oh, how cute”), wait, my 11 year old wouldn’t and couldn’t come up with something so inane. Fo’gedaboudit.

You used to make sense, what happened, or is it the new glasses I got.:confused:


#11

[QUOTE=Zathros;2571998]Africans, like all other cultures on Earth owned slaves.[/quote] About every community on earth has had slaves. It was pretty much a normal way of living. Some were proud of their slaves like todays people are proud of expensive jewelry.

Of course, the Aliens that landed and banged everyone here and there after they hit the Tower of Babel and crashed, accounts for all the odd ball curiosities that have sprung up in between
The aliens that crash landed in the tower of Babel banged everyone? I think i’ve got the new title for an epic Hollywood blockbuster movie! :slight_smile:


#12

[QUOTE=~Jethro~;2571738]This thread is for anyone who wants to have a protracted conversation about politics. Here you can bash away, please post in other threads if they stay on topic. Some of us enjoy reading other threads without all the nonsense.[/QUOTE]

Like I said in another thread. If you don’t like what you are reading then don’t open the thread. The fact is that if it weren’t for the political banter in these other threads you reference you wouldn’t have anything to read at all. You would open it and hear crickets chirping.

I suggest the admin start a Controversial Forum that has membership limited to members that have been here for a minimum period of time or have a certain number of posts.


#13

Hey I thought I’d throw my two cent in the hat.All politicians are crooks and all are lawyers,I believe in god but not the bible. The bible was wrote by man to suit mans own life style, and not to hept up to the church same reasons,but that don’t mean i don’t believe.Who else but god could grow flowers in colors and places where nothing else grows.I think the earth is earlier than people think ,science will tell you that thru rocks and the earths layers show many years more and people will think differently and think the earth is flat. and theres all kinds of people and we all should get along because life is too short to be pissed all the time.I don’t believe in burlals just burn me up and let the wind take me like the native Indians believe.Now back to the peanut gallery,Bush let us die in the enconmy, he borrowed from the social security saving which would have paid everyone who paid in, but took that money to fund mismanagements screw ups.Hey you guys are tooooo serious and you guys are great keep punching last man standing turn off the light.

O utr hows your blog doing


#14

@ Zathros : You have been dishing it out to me in several posts in a few topics & I did dish a small serving back in my last post. So you are correct in this:

[QUOTE=Zathros;2572106] You’re Christian but believe that I’m descended from apes, so POOF!, there goes you whole theory, of course, that isn’t what you mean,it’s your baser self insulting in an unchristian like manner. [/QUOTE]
It is true I don’t believe you or any human descended from apes.

Next in a couple of topics you have inferred that I might be a child. Click on my user name above my avatar & view my public profile . It has my birthdate & age. These are accurate.

[QUOTE=Zathros;2572106] on the off handed chance that you really are only 11 years old [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zathros;2572106]That is one of the funniest things I have heard in a long time. Don’t think about it too long, you will burn brain cells.

[QUOTE=cholla;2572072]
For the carbon dating which you refer to as radiation is only a theory. Mankind has not kept this material & observed it till it became another element. [/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]
This is an simple explanation I copied from another website. Maybe Zathros can explain if it is incorrect.

Carbon-14 is used for dating because it is unstable (radioactive), whereas 12C and 13C are stable. Radioactive means that 14C will decay (emit radiation) over time and become a different element. During this process (called “beta decay”) a neutron in the 14C atom will be converted into a proton. By losing one neutron and gaining one proton, 14C is changed into nitrogen-14 (14N = 7 protons and 7 neutrons).

The way I understand this is Carbon-14 breaks down into another element Nitrogen-14.

Now to address this :

[QUOTE=Zathros;2572106]Not one person of the cloth I know believes the world is 6000 years old. know how to read, have read various prints of the Bible many many times, in a few languages. I have never found anything in there that remotely expresses what you blather. [/QUOTE]
Let me explain my view in more detail. I actually believe from the time Adam & Eve were ejected from the Garden of Eden to be between 6000 & 7000 years . I don’t believe humans existed before the creation of Adam from Genesis 2:& KJV

God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Depending on which denomination of Christian faith you follow or maybe more than one I think you will find that the timeline from the ejection till now will be between 6000 & 14000 years . But not over that.
Since Zathros decide to post this:

[QUOTE=Zathros;2572106] the "Word according to CHolYla. [/QUOTE]
Let me state : I don’t believe acceptance of this is critical to salvation.
Or that anyone will be judged by God & sent to Hell for believing the timeline is different.
This is a copy of the timeline I was able to find. It is harder to read than I would like but the largest I could post. :

This is my Christian belief for the path to salvation:
A new covenant was made between God & man with the death of Jesus.
This is a blood covenant . Those that believe this are washed in the blood of Jesus & their sins are forgiven… God will judge if a person actually has this faith or was just giving it “lip-service” .
Before someone like Zathros jumps on this by "death of Jesus " I include the following;

  1. Nailed to the cross for execution.
  2. Shedding of Jesus blood while on the cross.
  3. Death of Jesus.
  4. Entombment of Jesus.
    5.Three days dead & entombed.
  5. Resurrection from dead of Jesus.
  6. 40 days between the resurrection & Ascension.
  7. Ascension of Jesus into Heaven.
    For comment on the rest of the post by Zathros I will leave that for another post.



#15

I respect your beliefs cholla and you seam to study it hard and are true to your faith,I myself refuse to believe in a fearful god and feel he will know if I am a good person as for my friend zathros he loves to get the party going and rile things up ,don’t let him upset you he’s good in his beliefs too.
Now on the subject of Bush the mans got one foot in hell already with the power he had and didn’t know the country was in bad shape is unforgiving and Washington should be cleared out and restarted,but that would be impossible.Don’t know what the answer would be but god bless us we need all the help we can get.


#16

Thanks marloyd ,
I’m not upset very easily . It might seem I am at times but that is just me holding my own. I do take personal attacks personal . I find no need to call one a child , to have it posted that I would be to lazy to do the work others do (Zathros put it a little different but that is how I took it) , told monkeys could come up with a better solution, & the implication that during the week I’m locked away somewhere under supervision but might be let out on the weekends.
When someone uses such tactics in a debate it does indicate something to me but I won’t post what.

What started Zathros going off on me was my support for Glen Beck.
I don’t hang on Beck’s every word or opinion. I disagree with him on some things. Just like any other reporter . I guess any agreement with Beck at all is too much for Zathros.

In the long run I’m well centered & pretty cool natured. That is what makes me dangerous in the right situation. Lucky for some people that I try to stay within my Christian beliefs.

As for Bush or Obama I don’t like either one. This is what I posted in the other topic that got this one started.

[QUOTE=cholla;2571643]Obama has been bought by the MPAA & RIAA. Hollywood too.

Why do you think he has been on TV more than any other President.

My other complaint against Obama is he shouldn’t have been eligible to be President.

He may not have been born in the USA & I sure haven’t accepted what is called “proof of his citizenship”.

If Obama is a citizen then he should have been tried for fraud for the college money he received by claiming to be a foreign student. If tried he & found guilty he would be a felon & not eligible to become President.

That’s why us American citizens will never see the true records of either.

Bush was bought by the oil industry. Both Bush’s . It’s their family business for one thing. That is the real reason the US military is in the middle east. The reason the US declared war on Iraq was because Saudi Arabia wanted Saddam Husein taken out.

Saudi Arabia just didn’t want to do it themselves because they feared repercussions from the other middle eastern countries.

The Bush oil business has strong ties to the Saudi oil business.

Remember in the 911 attack most of the terrorists were Saudi Arabians. Ben Laden is from Saudi Arabia. I believe Saudi Arabia is the main financier of al-Queda they just do it secretly. So they are really an enemy of the USA not an ally . Both Bush’s were in their pocket & at the same time making plenty of money for themselves.

So I’m against all three of those Presidents . For that matter the last President that was for most of us Americans would have been before WW2.

Although not proved Roosevelt purposely got the US into WW2.

I have to give Truman one thing at least he had the guts to drop the A-bombs on Japan .[/QUOTE]


#17

My very feelings about the Bushes exactly and if obama is not a citizen he shouldn’t of been allowed to get where he’s at now why hasn’t that been found out by now.I think Obama was dropped kicked in the stomach when he took office and found out the goverment was broke.Yaaaa…realections are around the corner before you know it and the bulls will be running.


#18

How can anyone Christian or otherwise have a serious discussion. You mix a personal knowledge of Christ, which must have been given to you by the Holy Spirit and then insult that knowledge by trying to apply it to some stupid chart or the ramblings of a demagog like Glenn Beck:Z that speaks half truths. You would be better off listening to Hitler’s:Z ramblings. He was so wrong, at least you could discern the truth easier than this idiot Beck:Z and Palin:Z and their ilk and his cohort Sarah Palin:Z who purposefully work to stir up emotions of “them that are without” .

You posted the following:

“In the long run I’m well centered & pretty cool natured. That is what makes me dangerous in the right situation. Lucky for some people that I try to stay within my Christian beliefs.”

That is an example of what Christ can do for someone. Stick to that kind of testifying and you will find 2 or more in agreement and will find God there.

Don’t throw" pearls unto swine". Glenn beck, if you want to get into it, is not Christian. The baptism of his Church is not recognized by any mainstream denomination.

Christ is coming for his church. You do not know who his church is, neither do I. People who seek God will find God. God is omnipotent, did not need “time to get it right”.

Obama inherited the aftermath of a country that was raped by people who not only betrayed their own party, but betrayed all Americans.

Obama IS the president of this country, and by keeping this nonsense alive only perpetuates division. The man believes he was born here. This is where his heart lives. If some technical bull comes up, too bad.

Do not post idiotic charts or state what you believe is the path of salvation. Some who who is given Christ consciousness will find their way. Practice what you preach, live it. You can’t write it down. It already has been written down. You want to relay a Christian experience or what Christ has done for you, then give examples.

Mixing your political beliefs with politics implies that Christians who don’t agree with you are wrong. Not a god idea.

Listening to half truths by people who are paid on TV, not a good idea.

There are people who have written many books that have stood the test of the 500 of so years that have gone by. I personally don’t care if Adam and Eve were 6000 or 60000 years ago, or were some type of allegory to try and explain when God delivered his will unto man.

Spaceships could land tomorrow and it would not change my beliefs in God.:disagree:

The Bible does not contradict itself it you read it the way it is supposed to be read. I leave that between you and the holy Spirit.

God had a really good reason for creating physics. Study physics more and then you will learn how scientist misinterpret physics. Nothing in physics contradicts God’s creation.

“The way I understand this is Carbon-14 breaks down into another element Nitrogen-14.”…

I thought you said you did not believe in this? Be careful of what you post in relation to physics. Observational science can be tricky and coming to conclusions based on reading an excerpt of someone’s work then applying it broadly is not good science and does not make good sense. There is some debate on how Carbon dating is used and other factors concerning it’s use. This has nothing to do with Christianity and none of the outcomes affect the biblical truths. The use of Carbon dating and the relating sciences is what has allowed Russia to give us so many warheads that are powering our Nuclear Power plants, they were becoming unstable. Do you not believe in the Nuclear sciences?

If you are in the presence of God and he says to you that some of the guys who scribed the bible made mistakes, would you doubt him? The Bible was not written at one time and it was the Catholic church that decided what books would be included and what were considered not scriptural. So you already have knowledge that man has his hands in there.

IF you insult me, expect the favor returned. Not because I took it seriously but because I enjoy insulting people and receiving well thought out insults.

Hey Marloyd, I posted that great link you gave me. A lot of American Indians bury their dead above ground. I do know that India’s Indians do the burning ritual. In Connecticut, we freeze you and run you through a shredder.:iagree:.


#19

Moved this thread to the LR.
Keep it friendly and within the rules.


#20

I will try Dee .
I guess the part of the rules in the other topics that went too political were viewed as Spamming by pushing a point ?
I guess there was some rudeness however I don’t beleive I have been rude to anyone with the exception of my one comment to Zathros. Which I sort of apoligized for & even posted it was satire before I posted it.