Ldw 411s newbie with +r media probs

hi,bit of a newbie with the ldw here,
im running an amd 2000xp 512mb ddr and the liteon 411s as secondary master,
I have read a fair bit regarding probl;ems with the 411 and media issues,I think i have done everything I can and was hoping someone could maybe point out if its possible hardware or media related.
I have flashed latest firmware FSOJ,atapi is installed correctly.
The media im trying to use is TDK 1-4x 4.7gb dvd+r and Imation dvd+r 4.7gb.With both the drive says there is no Media present?
Any help would be appreciated as to solving my problem thnx :slight_smile:

Does your drive recognise other types of media (CDs, DVD-R/-RW, +RW.)?

Report back your; OS, ASPI-layer and burning program/s :wink:

ok,1st thnx for the repy.
its windows xp pro i have,and Nero 6.0.0.0
Aspi layer im not sure what u mean(like i said im very newbie on some things) but i checked aspi was installed using nero info tool and it says system aspi working and installed ok and the same with nero aspi,oh i should mention i also use Alcohol120%.I can burn all types of cd-r media i have come across so far,but with dvd’s i have only succesfully burnt a data disk with the + r I recieved with the drive,The dvd+rw i got wouldnt read and at that time I just put it down as a duff disk…
Im going to buy dvd-r’s whenever i get to town next(hopefully next few days)Lets hope i have success with them lol
If you need to know anything else let me know and thnx the help is most appreciated :slight_smile:

You have managed to write ‘one’ DVD+R and I guess you will be able to write TDK & Imation also.
Try to update Nero to version 6.3.0.3.
Nero 6303

Report back after update and test… :slight_smile:

sorry my mistake it was a dvd-r which i got with the drive that worked,my apologies.
I’ll try updating nero,also i should add the drive says empty when either the tdk or imation is inserted

hi again,
Ok i now have nero 6.3.0.3 installed i have retested all disks,5-Imation and 3-TDK. Drive still wont recognise them :frowning:

ok I now tryed 5 dvd-r’s and they wont read either,they are memorex ,Am i doing something wrong or is my drive knackered,Is there anything else i can try ?
Sorry to bother u giys again but this is really getting to me now lol thnx :wink:

Then there is the other question regarding via chipsets. Is that your case?
:slight_smile:

chipset ,im lost now lol,umm the chipset for the drive is it?

No sorry. Every motherboard on a computer has its own chipset. They are usually made by three companies - Via SiS and Intel (latter only for Intel systems)
What I was asking is what is the chipset on your board, because apparently there have been some problems with Via chipsets. If this is your case please browse the forum for some discussion and possible solutions.
If you are unaware of the chipset on your computer’s motherboard, try to check the manual or the model that is most of the times written on the board and try to search for that information on the board maker’s site.
:slight_smile:

Originally posted by ahgc
No sorry. Every motherboard on a computer has its own chipset. They are usually made by three companies - Via SiS and Intel (latter only for Intel systems)

You forgot nVidia. Since he is using an Athlon XP, there’s a good chance that he’s got an nForce chipset. The original nVidia IDE drivers can also cause problems.

DaMista

I tend to think, that the drive is the culprit. Ca. 80% of the media I use are Imation (+/-R) and TDK +R and I haven’s produced a coaster yet. In my experience, the 411s “loves” these discs.

DaMista

thnx for the replys folks ,i thought it was mobo chipset u were on about but wasnt sure lol,its an sis chipset on this mobo the K7S5a
I have had a slight sucess,I bought 5 memorex dvd-r’s and although it reads them very slow it recognizes them as dvd-r ,by slow i mean like 1 minute + reading the disk : S
and still no sucess with the imation or tdk + r’s
So instinct says my drive is duff :frowning:
Thanx for your help folks was much appreciated.

I am assuming you checjed data (ribbon) cable on your drive to make sure it is seated correctly. Also remove any Packet Writing Sofware like DLA from Record Now.

yes i checked all cables,but the dla i didnt know about,im gonna try that in the morning,thnx i’l report back

My apologies I have been away…
with no luck in my old machine I tryed this drive in my mates pc

amd2500xp
crucial 512 ddr 333
pc chips m848a
ati 9200 256ddr
80 gb h/dd
All new cables
sis chipset (same as my pc)

I tryed it on a clean system,installing only nero 6.3.1.6.I turned of imapi and started with f/w fsof(which gave me the better results on my own pc) installed force aspi too.Ran check with nero info tool and dma was enabled and aspi was installed and working.
TRyed a memorex dvd-r 4x and it took a while to read,but detected it but says in nero info tool its a dvd+rw but in smart burn says its a dvd-r,but i notice some of the info is missing like manufacurers name and other info(its like a half hearted reading)
I then try an imation dvd+r 4x it wont read…says no media,then i tryed a TDK+r 4x and i got the same.So I tryed the dvd-r again and it wouldnt read it ??
So i disabled dma,rebooted system and tryed once more Again it read the dvd-r but this time full info was givin,including full media code in dvdinfopro,so i tryed a simulation image burn,burning failed at 1%(my apologies i have now deleted this log)
It wouldnt read the dvd+r at all,So I flashed to fsoj and the dvd-r wouldnt read but the dvd+r would (lol its so frustrating) giving full info and media code,i tryed a TDK dvd+,it wouldnt read then tryed the same imation dvd+r that read good again and it wouldnt read.So i figured seeing as how I’d done all of what i could see on forums it might be the sis chipset as both pc’s have them.
Time to try another pc lol.This time my kids p3 600mhz again i did a full format so it was a clean system and instyalled only nero disabled other services etc and flashed back to fsof as i had better results with this f/w and i get similar results,failing a simulation burn at 2%. The funny thing is it reads normal dvd’s ok and burns cd-r’s great which makes me think it isnt the drive I think its just me doing something wrong any help is appreciated im so frustrated with this problem lol,I cant return the drive I only got invoiced for a dvd-rom at the time and didnt complain(wish I had now i could return it) :frowning: Its what i get i suppose lol
Here is the nero log from the p3 600 machine(i realise this machine spec is probably small for burning cd’s but it has an intel chipset so I thought it was worth a try)
Finally before this nero error I flashed back to FSOJ

Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: File ‘Wnaspi32.dll’: Ver=4.60 (1021), size=45056 bytes, created 10/09/1999 12:06:00
ahead WinASPI: File ‘C:\Program Files\Ahead
ero\Wnaspi32.dll’: Ver=2.0.1.59, size=160016 bytes, created 16/12/2003 19:18:06
Nero version: 6.3.1.6
Recorder: <LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-411S> Version: FS0J - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.3.1.6
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
CD-ROM: <LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-411S >Version: FS0J - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.3.1.6
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : SAMSUNG SV0761D atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-411S atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: Off

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-411S D: CDRom0

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
CmdQueuing : 1
CmdNotification: 2
WriteBufferSize: 40894464 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
EraseSpeed : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 254MB (260532kB)
Free physical memory: 110MB (112964kB)
Memory in use : 56 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)

7.4.2004
Burn DVD Image
13:19:28 #1 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
Reader running

13:19:28 #2 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
Writer LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-411S running

13:19:28 #3 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3198
Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media

13:19:28 #4 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 244
Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
Last address to be written: 1810155 (402:15.30, 3535MB)

13:19:28 #5 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 249
Write in overburning mode: FALSE

13:19:28 #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2107
Recorder: LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-411S, Media type: DVD-R
Disc Manufacturer: CMC MA - G. AF1
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193

13:19:28 #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 410
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================

13:19:28 #8 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 813
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (2 - CD-ROM Mode 1, Joliet)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 1810156 (1810156) = #1810156/402:15.31
not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 1810156 blocks [LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-411S ]
--------------------------------------------------------------

13:19:28 #9 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 982
Prepare recorder [LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-411S ] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: “”
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc not fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 3707199488, ISRC “”
DAO layout:
===========
_Start|___Track|Idx|RecDep|CtrlAdr
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
1810156 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41

13:19:28 #10 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1841
Caching of files started

13:19:28 #11 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4214
Cache writing successful.

13:19:28 #12 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1841
Caching of files completed

13:19:28 #13 Phase 32 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1841
Simulation started at 2x (2,760 KB/s)

13:19:28 #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2342
Verifying disc position of item 0 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

13:19:29 #15 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1699
Set remaining time: 22:31,896 (1351896ms) -> OK

13:19:29 #16 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 1619
Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode for Multisession

13:19:29 #17 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 19864
Set BUFE: supported -> ON , SMART-BURN : ON

13:19:29 #18 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 1760
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

13:19:29 #19 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8002
---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 0 h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h
Start sector number of the next Border-In: 0 h
Media Specific [16…63]:
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …

13:20:17 #20 SCSI -1135 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1437
SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x06673000
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
Sense Code: 0x0C
Sense Qual: 0x00
CDB Data: 0x5C 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0C 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0C 0x00

13:20:18 #21 SCSI -1064 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1437
SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x062D0000
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
Sense Code: 0x21
Sense Qual: 0x00
CDB Data: 0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x57 0x80 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x21 0x00

13:20:18 #22 CDR -1135 File Writer.cpp, Line 304
Write error
LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-411S\H1 T0

13:20:18 #23 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
all writers idle, stopping conversion

13:20:18 #24 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 223
conversion idle, stopping reader

13:20:18 #25 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 1970
EndDAO: Last written address was 22399

13:20:18 #26 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1699
Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

13:20:18 #27 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1699
Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

13:20:24 #28 Phase 34 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1841
Simulation failed at 2x (2,760 KB/s)

Existing drivers:
File ‘Drivers\ASPI32.SYS’: Ver=4.60 (1021), size=25244 bytes, created 10/09/1999 12:06:00
File ‘Drivers\atapi.sys’: Ver=5.1.2600.0 (XPClient.010817-1148), size=86656 bytes, created 18/08/2003 18:26:38 (Adapter driver for rec)

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

In both pcs the ldw was secondary master,with jumper settings and cables doubly checked
Thnx in advance for putting up with me lol,I hope some one can help.

First, remove/ delete Nero serial number.!

Recorder: LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-411S, Media type: DVD-R 
Disc Manufacturer: CMC MA - G. AF1 
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193 

my apologies I didnt realise the serial was there …

You should enable DMA mode on you LIteon burner.

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : SAMSUNG SV0761D atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-411S atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: Off

Go to device manager, expand IDE controllers, right click on Primary/Secondary IDE channel, click on properties. Go to Advanced setting tab, and make sure all devices are set to “DMA if available.”

It seems when i have Dma enabled it wont read disks at all.The log was from when i had disabled Dma and it read the disk .
Thnx for your replies btw guys its most appreciatted this problem has me totally stumped,I also this afternoon tryed a cd cleaner It made no difference though