Is it time to scrap the Electoral College?

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#1

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27283314/

I have always thought we should do away with the Electoral College or at least go to a system that the number of electoral votes a person gets depends on the percentage of the vote he or she got.

What do you all think at least what do you all who live in the USA think.

Please do not make this post about a certain party or candidate for president


#2

SAMLAR
That would be a mistake,because the founding
fathers didn’t want majority rule. So the safe guard
was the electoral college. The purpose was to prevent
a king or dictator figure from rulling the country.
ZAP.:iagree::cop:



#3

I was always told the had the it because they could never get the results in time. but I see it was not

The Constitutional Convention considered several possible
methods of selecting a president.
Revised May 1992
One idea was to have the Congress choose the president. This idea
was rejected, however, because some felt that making such a choice would
be too divisive an issue and leave too many hard feelings in the Congress.
Others felt that such a procedure would invite unseemly political
bargaining, corruption, and perhaps even interference from foreign
powers. Still others felt that such an arrangement would upset the balance
of power between the legislative and executive branches of the federal
government.
A second idea was to have the State legislatures select the president.
This idea, too, was rejected out of fears that a president so beholden to the
State legislatures might permit them to erode federal authority and thus
undermine the whole idea of a federation.
A third idea was to have the president elected by a direct popular vote.
Direct election was rejected not because the Framers of the Constitution
doubted public intelligence but rather because they feared that without
sufficient information about candidates from outside their State, people
would naturally vote for a “favorite son” from their own State or region. At
worst, no president would emerge with a popular majority sufficient to
govern the whole country. At best, the choice of president would always be
decided by the largest, most populous States with little regard for the
smaller ones.
Finally, a so-called “Committee of Eleven” in the Constitutional
Convention proposed an indirect election of the president through a College
of Electors.
The function of the College of Electors in choosing the president can
be likened to that in the Roman Catholic Church of the College of Cardinals
selecting the Pope. The original idea was for the most knowledgeable and
informed individuals from each State to select the president based solely on
merit and without regard to State of origin or political party.
The structure of the Electoral College can be traced to the Centurial
Assembly system of the Roman Republic. Under that system, the adult
male citizens of Rome were divided, according to their wealth, into groups
of 100 (called Centuries). Each group of 100 was entitled to cast only one vote
either in favor or against proposals submitted to them by the Roman Senate.
In the Electoral College system, the States serve as the Centurial groups
(though they are not, of course, based on wealth), and the number of votes
per State is determined by the size of each State’s Congressional delegation.
Still, the two systems are similar in design and share many of the same
advantages and disadvantages.
The similarities between the Electoral College and classical
institutions are not accidental. Many of the Founding Fathers were well
schooled in ancient history and its lessons.


#4

I am not sure that the idea of popular vote would have caused the problems stated above and as for as the part about big states elecing the president that is just what we have now. At least for most part. I until today had always thought it should be done away with now I am lost not sure.


#5

:bow:SAMLAR
I think having lived under the rule of a tyrannical
king GEORGE. I think WASHINGTON,JEFFERSON,FRANKLIN
new what they were doing.
ZAP.


#6

Thne sure come up with some very good ideas but I am still not sure we not need te Electoral college


#7

Just look at the last person screwed by the electoral college and what we have gotten instead…

It’s true that the electoral college was designed to un-complicate the process, but 232 years ago things weren’t as they are now. We can have results in about an hour after the polls close if not sooner, they don’t have to be carried via horse and buggy for days to be counted anymore.


#8

It’s certainly an odd way to get a president :stuck_out_tongue:

If you get 99% in one state with a huge population … but 49% in a small state, then you win one vote for, and one vote for the other guy …
It’s just … odd …

But oh well, all the more reason for US citizens to get off their butts on election day & make sure the nest candidate get’s their vote …

Quick … gather the ringmasters … the clown parade is about to begin!

I love the Aussie Electoral system … and we have a great sense of humour … just look at who we voted in for the last 4 elections :wink:


#9

I think the Electoral College system still serves its purpose quite well. The EC votes of a given state is based on its population but this also helps to protect the less populated states from being made irrelevant in the presidential election process from more populated states voting only in their own self interests. I see the EC as an equivalent electoral mixture of the House of Representatives and the Senate. The House members of a state is based purely on population while the Senate allows equal representation to all states. The EC brings this balance to the presidential elections. It amazes me just how wise the Founding Fathers of this country were to put forth a system that balanced so many aspects of our political processes. The EC is just another symbol of this.


#10

[QUOTE=samlar;2144633]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27283314/

I have always thought we should do away with the Electoral College or at least go to a system that the number of electoral votes a person gets depends on the percentage of the vote he or she got.

What do you all think at least what do you all who live in the USA think.

Please do not make this post about a certain party or candidate for president[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=samlar;2144650]I am not sure that the idea of popular vote would have caused the problems stated above and as for as the part about big states elecing the president that is just what we have now. At least for most part. I until today had always thought it should be done away with now I am lost not sure.[/QUOTE]
I used to lean toward your initial thoughts on scrapping the Electoral College.
I certainly don’t disagree with your ambivalence and trying to reason it out.

One of the many incredible features of the U.S. Constitution is that it is truly a living document. The framers of The U.S. Constitution were nothing short of brilliant. As a group, I believe they have no rivals in government, past or present. They knew that as times change so must the document. It is constructed so that its principles remain intact, but it is nevertheless malleable and allows for change as the republic evolves and time advances.

Keep in mind that we are not a democracy, but a republic.
The founding fathers, while disagreeing on many things, reached a consensus about the Electoral College. This was based on principle and not simply a function of the time in which they lived. The Electoral College is very much an integral part of “checks and balances”, so key in the very fabric of a republic.

A quote to ponder…

“[I]A pure democracy can admit no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will be felt by a majority, and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party. Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths[/I]”.

[I]James Madison, Federalist Paper #10 [/I]

For anyone interested:

http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm


#11

I agree these people were very smart but they also had some very good examples of what worked and did not work from other countries. Our constitution is based on what did not work for the Romans and the UK as well as other countries along with what did work.