[QUOTE=debro;2248157]But the problem is that extracting minerals from landfills, or the core of the planet, will be an expensive exercise. The last time I looked, money dominates decisions by corporations, which are currently running the planet.[/QUOTE]
There are plenty of sources for raw materials. Aluminum is one of the most abundant elements on the planet, as is iron, copper, carbon, etc. How are copper, iron ore, aluminum ore mines ruining the planet? All we are doing is shuffling matter around the planet. I’m sure there were some anaerobic bacteria that said those cyanobacteria are ruining the planet with all that oxygen production.
[QUOTE=debro;2248157]And while you suggest that consumer fossil fuels are still here on earth is laughable. We’re chewing up fossil fuels faster than it’s being produced - one way or another our over-consumption will either wither gradually & intelligently, or stupidly … abruptly.[/QUOTE]
I never said fossil fuel was being created faster than we are consuming it. I said there is more energy available to us than we can ever use which is a true statement.
[QUOTE=debro;2248157]No matter, after we’ve all choked to death from toxic fumes, it’ll only be a few billion years for us to turn into oil, and the next idiot species to come along and repeat our mistakes.[/QUOTE]
Maybe it will be from toxic fumes that come from massive volcanic eruptions. Maybe it will be from a planet killing asteroid/comet. Maybe a gamma ray burst. Maybe we evolve into the next idiotic species. In your ideal world what happens to mankind? From all indications it appears humans are an aberration of nature. We aren’t like any other life form that has ever existed here on Earth. Therefore I don’t expect us to live a minimalist life style as this runs against our very nature. The fact is we can no longer live like we have for 95% of our existence. We will evolve just like any other species. The difference with us is we evolve through technology too. We are like chimps using twigs as probes only to the Nth degree. We have to consume just like ants, tigers, bacteria, etc. only we include iron, aluminum, copper energy etc. in our list of essentials.
The one thing I believe with a high level of confidence is that our numbers on this planet will reduce in the long term. When that happens (whether through disaster or otherwise)) we will greatly reduce our extraction of raw materials because recycling will be more effective and efficient. I find it very ironic that the very thing you seek to prevent (consumerism) will achieve the results you desire in a non-disaster scenario. It won’t happen tomorrow but it will eventually. From all indications it appears to be human nature that will cause this to occur and that is a much more reliable mechanism than what the environmentalists are trying to force on us in the present.