Is Alcohol Able to Back-up Safedisc 4?

Is Alcohol 120% 1.9.5.4327 able to back-up safedisc 4? I have tried to back-up Rome Total War: Alexander. I scanned it with Aray which said it was safedisc 4.00.003. I asked on another forum and was told to use the safedisc 2/3 setting. This burnt coasters. If Alcohol can back it up which settings should i use.

SafeDisc 2/3 with a low read/write speed.

If it is a cd rather than a dvd and you have suitable hardware, yes.

Note: You might also try plain old safedisc datatype as that will actually work more reliably with some writers than safedisc 2/3.

Thanks for the help, i’ll try it.

What speeds do you recommend? 4x/4x? Or lower/higher?
edit: The lowest speed Alcohol will write at with my burner is 8x (if I set 4x in datatype profile it ignores it and reverts to maximum).

Using Alcohol licensed version 1.9.5.4521.

I have a 2 sheep writer LG GCE-8320B but have been unsuccessful backing up my Sims2 Open for Business (Safedisc 4.60.000) using Safedisc 2/3 (EFM Bypass Enabled) and Safedisc (EFM Bypass Disabled) profiles, but both of these settings were at Maximum for read and write.

Tx in advance

Please post a complete system report from within Alcohol.

The fact that your writer is regarded as a 2 sheep writer doesn’t mean that it will necessarily be capable of successfully copying any version of safedisc from v. 2.90 up, and, in particular, v. 3.15+.

Why not have a look at this thread and see if any others with your writer have had any luck.

I sent this also to alcohol support (report function) with license info intact (removed here for obvious reasons). “Dave” responded that I should mount the image to see if it runs, but when I mount with Dtools Sims2 says insert correct cd (it was installed using original from cd drive).
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Windows XP Professional 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
Processor info: AMD Athlon™ Processor (799MHz)
Memory Available to Windows: 654,816 KB

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File Name: C:\Program Files\Alcohol Soft\Alcohol 120\Alcohol.exe
Company Name: Alcohol Soft Development Team
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Company Name: Alcohol Soft Co., Ltd.
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Size: 58240 Bytes
Hash: d4d1a7515948a9dcb38bd955828df52e

########################### User Information ###########################
Licensed to: removed
Registered User ID: removed

########################### Options Setting ###########################
Devices control interface: Default Driver Control Interface
CPU Priority Level: High
Memory Buffer Size (MB): 128
Examine the accuracy of data read from physical device: Yes
Turn off “Auto-Select best write speed” function if possible: No
Overburn disc(s): No
Fill memory buffer before recording discs: Yes
Ignore Media Type: Yes
RMPS (Recordable Media Physical Signature) Emulation: No
BAD Sectors Emulation: No
Sub-Channel Data Fixed & Emulation: No
Laserlock Emulation: No
Current Language: English

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(E:) HP DVD Writer 300c (atapi, Port 1, Bus 0, Target 0, Lun 0)
(F:) HL-DT-ST CD-RW GCE-8320B (atapi, Port 1, Bus 0, Target 1, Lun 0)
(H:) HB2433Y SRY462D (vaxscsi, Port 2, Bus 0, Target 0, Lun 0)

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BURN-Free Technology: JustLink
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-* Note: This information below is provided by the unit, it might be inaccurate. -
-
This software does not use this information! *-
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BUF: Yes
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UPC Supported: Yes
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Lock media into the drive: Yes
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Prevent Jumper: No
Eject Command: Yes
Separate volume levels: No
Separate channel mute: No
Changer Supports Disc Present: No
Software slot selection: No
Side change capable: No
P through W in Lead-In: Yes

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Product Identification: CD-RW GCE-8320B
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-* Note: This information below is provided by the unit, it might be inaccurate. -
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CD-RW Read/Write: Yes/Yes
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Multi-Session: Yes
BUF: Yes
CD-DA Commands supported: Yes
CD-DA Stream is Accurate: Yes
R-W Supported: No
R-W De-interleaved and Corrected: No
C2 Pointers Support: Yes
ISRC Supported: Yes
UPC Supported: Yes
Read Bar Code: No
Lock media into the drive: Yes
Currently drive Lock state: Unlocked
Prevent Jumper: No
Eject Command: Yes
Separate volume levels: Yes
Separate channel mute: Yes
Changer Supports Disc Present: No
Software slot selection: No
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Thanks, my writer is not listed in that thread, but has always been listed as a 2 sheep (EFM capable). Most recommendations are to burn SD4 at a lower speed (4x) but my problem is that Alcohol is not letting me choose a speed lower than 8x for burning…

The writing speed could be due to media and not Alcohol its self, what happens if you install from your image in virtual drive. have you actualy tested your writer to confirm that it is in fact a 2 sheep drive ?

when I mount with Dtools Sims2 says insert correct cd (it was installed using original from cd drive).

You need to install from the image in virtual drive, not the origional

Then see if it’s mentioned in this thread since virtually every burner that can handle sd v.3.20 can also handle v.4.x.

So far as speed is concerned though, don’t worry about not being able to burn at a speed lower than 8x. If it can’t do it at 8x it won’t be able to at 4x either.

Both my burners can cope with any safedisc version and i’ll let you in on a secret; I always read and write at max with my Lite-on 832S (40x max write speed) and read at max and write at 16x with my Asus CRW-5224A (and the only reason I don’t write at higher speeds with the Asus is because general burn quality with that writer is pretty lousy at higher speeds .)

Two other things to note though-

  1. Do you have Ignore media type enable in alcohol’s emulation options? If not, you won’t be able to run any back-up copy from a burner.

  2. Are you trying to run the back-up copy from the same drive as that from which the game was installed? Many safedisc protected games are hot-wired to run only from their installation drive (unless you edit your registry).

Speed can also be governed by the drive firmware. Check there isn’t a later firmware revision that allows you to burn at a lower speed. Sometimes this gets added in later down the track, though very seldom.

As phoenix is also quoting from a message I emailed to Alcohol support, I will just reply in this thread to avoid confusion.

  1. Media is 2x-52x multispeed.

  2. I uninstalled the game and then re-installed (after restart) from Alcohol image created with LG GCE-8320B at 4x read with EFM Bypass disabled (Safedisc profile).
    Image mounted on Daemon Tools 4.06.00 virtual drive with Safedisc emulation on (Hide CD-R media is always on using Clone CDTray V5.2, but that is presumably irrelevant when using virtual drive image). After install launch failed with message:
    Cannot locate the CD-Rom:
    Please insert the correct CD-ROM, select OK and restart the application.

  3. Writer has passed 2-sheep test from http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=101608 although I ran that test years ago!! It was also in the old elby.ch 2 sheep list and is also in the current Alcohol list of EFM capable drives http://forum.alcohol-soft.com/efm/a-h.htm (my LG model is in Hitachi list)

I’m using the last official release 26-april-2002 - nothing later exists according to CDRInfo.com. I can burn with lower speeds using other software (EasyCD).

Thanks for your help, some of the questions you asked are answered above. No, it is not in that list either, possibly because it is older. I guess it is time to upgrade :sad: Don’t know why the image file gets the message about incorrect cd, though - that seems to be something other than a non-working safedisc image. Hopefully someone can help me there.

For the moment I have reinstalled the game and am using the original cd, so this is not a pressing issue (other than having 2 children handling the disc, which is why I prefer to have the backup!!).

I should have mentioned that the install of the game is on a different PC (I only have 1 Alcohol licence, and it is on my PC - the game is installed on the kid’s PC, which is why Daemon Tools is used instead of Alcohol). Shouldn’t make a difference?

Have you tried to use the Free version of 52% on the kids machine to see if it works?

Success!! :bigsmile: I didn’t realize there was a free version of Alcohol52% - I downloaded it and it also didn’t work at first - Dave at Alcohol support had emailed me suggesting that I use “safedisc4 hider” which finally did the trick.

In fact, I found “safedisc4 hider” a bit too cumbersome for my kids to use (mounting image, running safedisc4, hiding drives, running game, restoring drives, unmounting image - its a bit much for me, never mind a 10 year-old!!) - so I installed CureROM 2.0.3.3 and used their profile to do it all in one click. Interestingly, the CureROM solution not only works flawlessly, but the game actually loads, plays, and ends quicker and smoother than with the original disc :confused:

Thanks to Alcohol Support for the excellent service, and also to Philamber. :bow:

Its nice when something comes together, it took a while but main thing is you got there in the end :slight_smile:

:sad: :sad: :sad: I have my LG HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B DVD/RAM
I tried using alcohol to back up my 727 Pro flight cd and could not do it. In the back up it ask for the original cd. I am glad if someone could let me know what are the settings should I use backing up the game cd. I do not know what settings should enable in the ALCOHOL and what settings should not enable to fully back up successfully. Please helpp :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: Thanks

A-RAY scanner indicate that I have safedisc 2.8.0.11 protection in the cd.

What kind of Alcohol do you have? 52% or 120%? Trial or retail? Your Alcohol version?

i found out that blindwrite can make copies of Safedisc 4.00.003 games i made a backup of Rome Total War Gold edition (DVD) which was protected which Safedisc 4.00.003 with blindwrite which can be found at www.vso-software.com