Initial Experiences with DeUHD


#1

(note that some of this is copied from another forum, and pieced back together, so may not make complete sense)

I’m happy to report that I have the LG WH16NS40 NS50 drive, and it works just fine. In addition, I can play the decrypted disk directly in PowerDVD 17, even though my drive is not technically supported, and my monitor is not HDCP 2.2 (or HDR, or even 4k). I do have a Z270 Mobo and Kaby Lake CPU, so I pass the SGX test.

I own three of the movies on their list. The first one (Fantastic Beasts) said it wasn’t supported. Passengers worked. I was unable to test the 3rd, because at that point it just says you can only use 1 disc with the trial, and doesn’t say if it was able to decrypt it or not.

I can rip the same disk over again (I haven’t completed a full rip yet, so this isn’t 100% certain, but I’ve played the disc with PowerDVD, MPC-HC, and multiple restarts of Rip to Hard Disk…). If I disable all network access it doesn’t interrupt a rip in progress, and I can even cancel and restart it, but if I remove the disc and re-insert it, it requires a network connection before it will decrypt it again.

Oh, and MKVToolNix, but the remux stalled out at 7%, presumably because I had hit the 8-10 minute limit so DeUHD was delivering garbage, and MKVToolNix couldn’t parse the m2ts anymore.

Oh yeah, they’re definitely not downloading it off the internet on the sly. When I first installed it, it was SUPER slow whenever I tried to do anything, and I could hear my drive seeking like crazy. I had to crack open Process Monitor, to discover explorer.exe was reading stuff (presumably to generate thumbnails?). Once I killed that process, it can mostly keep up with realtime. I’m currently ripping at 3.96MB/s, and my network is idle (under 100Kbps).

I’m not an AACS expert, so I don’t know if this even makes sense, but my guess is they’ve found a way to steal the individual volume keys out of PowerDVD’s memory, and are just building a database of them, and distributing them to the client when you put a disc in. I don’t have time to do network captures (and/or set up a MITM that they may or may not be able to detect and stop) to try and figure out what their server communications are.

I now have the license, and am restarting a full rip. It’s not giving me guff about the 8-10 minute limitation anymore. It’s looking good so far - one of the studio promo clips that previously wasn’t playable is now playable. More to come later…


#2

Thanks, we look forward to the rest of your experience :wink:


#3

I’m 19% done, going at 4MB/s, estimated 3 hours 15 minutes remaining. But when I was still on the trial and was about this far along, it sped up to ~7MB/s, so hopefully that happens again. It’s using 100% of one CPU core, so my guess is that they’re doing all the decryption themselves, and it’s single threaded, so I’m throttled by that, not by actual disc I/O. I’m feeling pretty optimistic though, that this is the real deal — as long as it’s one of their supported discs that has a pre-extracted volume key. After this rip completes, I’ll repeat but ripping to ISO, and see how PowerDVD 17 reacts to that.


#4

First rip complete. It did take just over 4 hours, and never sped up. The trial must have sped up after I got over the 10 minute mark, and it started feeding me garbage.

I can seek around the movie, and it all seems to be there, along with all of the other usual suspects in full a blu-ray rip. PowerDVD 17 can play the folder as a full UHD Disc, with menus. The final folder has no AACS dir, but does have a UHD! dir.

MediaInfo:

General
ID                                       : 0 (0x0)
Complete name                            : E:\Passengers_2016\BDMV\STREAM\00001.m2ts
Format                                   : BDAV
Format/Info                              : Blu-ray Video
File size                                : 54.0 GiB
Duration                                 : 1 h 56 min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 66.6 Mb/s
Maximum Overall bit rate                 : 109 Mb/s

Video
ID                                       : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.1@High
Codec ID                                 : 36
Duration                                 : 1 h 56 min
Bit rate                                 : 58.1 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.292
Stream size                              : 47.2 GiB (87%)
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics                 : SMPTE ST 2084
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries        : R: x=0.680000 y=0.320000, G: x=0.265000 y=0.690000, B: x=0.150000 y=0.060000, White point: x=0.312700 y=0.329000
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000.0000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level              : 1529 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level        : 380 cd/m2

Audio #1
ID                                       : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : TrueHD / AC-3
Format profile                           : TrueHD+Atmos / TrueHD / AC-3
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Muxing mode                              : Stream extension
Codec ID                                 : 131
Duration                                 : 1 h 56 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable / Constant
Bit rate                                 : 640 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 8 229 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : Object Based / 8 channels / 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Object Based / Front: L C R, Side: L R, Back: L R, LFE / Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            :  / 48.0 kHz / 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 532 MiB (1%)
Service kind                             : Complete Main

Audio #2
ID                                       : 4353 (0x1101)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : 129
Duration                                 : 1 h 56 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 640 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : -8 ms
Stream size                              : 532 MiB (1%)
Service kind                             : Complete Main

Audio #3
ID                                       : 4354 (0x1102)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : 129
Duration                                 : 1 h 56 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 640 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : -8 ms
Stream size                              : 532 MiB (1%)
Service kind                             : Complete Main

Audio #4
ID                                       : 4355 (0x1103)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : 129
Duration                                 : 1 h 56 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 640 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : -8 ms
Stream size                              : 532 MiB (1%)
Service kind                             : Complete Main

Audio #5
ID                                       : 4356 (0x1104)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : 129
Duration                                 : 1 h 56 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 640 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : -8 ms
Stream size                              : 532 MiB (1%)
Service kind                             : Complete Main

Audio #6
ID                                       : 4357 (0x1105)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : 129
Duration                                 : 1 h 56 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 640 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : -8 ms
Stream size                              : 532 MiB (1%)
Service kind                             : Complete Main

Audio #7
ID                                       : 4358 (0x1106)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : 129
Duration                                 : 1 h 56 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 640 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : -8 ms
Stream size                              : 532 MiB (1%)
Service kind                             : Complete Main

Audio #8
ID                                       : 4359 (0x1107)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : 129
Duration                                 : 1 h 56 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 640 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : -8 ms
Stream size                              : 532 MiB (1%)
Service kind                             : Complete Main

Audio #9
ID                                       : 4360 (0x1108)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
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Duration                                 : 1 h 56 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
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Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : -8 ms
Stream size                              : 532 MiB (1%)
Service kind                             : Complete Main

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Trying out other discs now. SINGUHD_NA took a surprisingly long time to process, but worked, and played in MPC-HC. Now for the fun one. I noticed Arrival isn’t on their list, but is the title they used for the screenshots in their walkthrough. So I popped it in… and was met with this sad message: . Luckily this seems to be distinct titles. I put Sing back in, and it recognized it without error (and processed much quick - something is cached!0. It’s now ripping. I attempted to Rip to Image, but it doesn’t seem to do anything when I click Rip. This software is obviously very hastily put together. Lots of spelling mistakes, and buttons that don’t work (the Cancel button in Rip to Hard Disk… only cancels the current rip, it won’t close the dialog if no rip is in progress. You can’t right click and get to the Rip to Hard Disk window if the main app window is already open, etc…).

I’m gonna let this rip overnight, but right now it’s going at the same speed, and estimating about 4 hours. Maybe tomorrow I’ll try a remux with MKVToolNix direct from disk, but I don’t anticipate any problems with that now that I have the full version.


#5

Very interesting stuff! Those details and screenshots are great to see.


#6

Just a quick update. Sing completed overnight, and I’ve succesfully remuxed it to MKV. Everything plays back just fine in 4k HDR via my Shield. Sing even had the shorts on the UHD disc. It’s still giving me an error about too many discs in a day, so I’m unable to try Arrival. I’m doing a straight remux from the disc right now to prove that works. One other small nugget I found is in C:\Users*\AppData\Local\DeUHD there is a folder for each disc (just a bunch of hex digits). I have 4. Two of them are empty (presumably Fantastic Beasts and Arrival that it didn’t process either one), and the other two have a BK.bin file, and a Cache/uBK folder with a bunch of numbered bin files (one for each m2ts file it looks like), the total size for each disc is ~250MB.

I won’t be posting any further updates for a while, as I’m heading out on vacation.


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#7

A post was split to a new topic: Can’t purchase DeUDH, tried with several creditcards


#8

@ccutrer, thank you so much for your report. You’re now pretty much the first independent source that has verified it works. I hope also the testers will provide us with such a great amount of detail on whether it worked, and if so, how it worked for them.

Haver a great vacation, and when you’re back, feel free to post more about any experiments with this software :slight_smile:


#9

i can also confirm the software DEUHD Rips and REMOVES AACS 2.0 from 4K UHD Blurays as i “Ripped” The Martian, Passengers, The Fate of the Furious and Sully 4K UHD Blurays Sucessfully with NO Problems, now waiting on them to update there server so i can “Rip” more 4k uhd blurays :), NO Intel SGX Needed!!


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#10

Thanks for your report. I’ve used quotes of both @ccutrer and @DB_Russell in our news item here:


#11

Tried it with the LGWH16 (listed as recommended) on an older Windows 10 PC.

Registered.

Every movie I inserted scanned and then it said it was not supported movie.

Thinking the PC was just too old (it was an i5) i tried on a i7 kabylake

Once installed it didn’t prompt to re-register which means it’s saving some info about my network (maybe my public IP address? MAC address would be different as is the rest of the PC)

Anyway this time I tried discs and for each rather than claiming they were unsupported it simply stated to the effect that i only get one disc. So I’m not certain:

Did the PC make a difference? If I were to buy a license, would it work on this PC vs. the old i5 PC?

Unfortunately $200 is a lot of money only to have a license and software tell me each time the disc is unsupported. And yes, they are all titles listed on their site.

They should simply allow any number of tries but limit to 10 min each; not restrict to one disc (again - seems odd as that message came up only after several discs and on a different PC)

Not buying it or any reports until the trial removes these silly roadblocks.


#12

PC made no difference. Note that I don’t have SGX enabled or PowerDVD installed.

Will let this thing bake awhile longer and be hopeful


#13

Congrats to DeUHD for being able to decrypt some discs but unfortunately I can’t recommend this program to anyone.
If you don’t mind throwing away EUR200 for software that supports only a few titles and has really bad usability (slow read speed of discs and dosen’t cope with all titles on supported title list) go ahead. Already there are other parties ripping discs that DeUHD can’t handle. DeUHD is missing support for quite a lot of old titles and they don’t seem to fast with new ones either so only time will tell what we will be able to decrypt with this software.


#14

I’ve now tried all of my UHD discs. I own 18 titles (19 discs), of which 5 (6 discs) are on DeUHD’s supported list as of 10/9/17 (and using 1.0.0.2). It can successfully decrypt 2. So… I’m at ~11% coverage of my collection. I’ve sent all of my AACS folders to DeUHD, so fingers crossed that next week’s update substantially increases my coverage.


#15

That’s actually quite a good point, you can send them details of titles that aren’t yet supported. :iagree:


#16

I’m 0 for 2 so far. One disc isn’t listed as supported so the failure was to be expected. The other disc was on the supported list and I received a not supported message. Unfortunate. Over time I’ll work through the discs and see if I manage to find a supported one.


#17

I too have been using DeUHD for a week now. I have tried several discs and so far the only 2 I’ve got to work is The Martian and Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Guardians took a few tries to get working and took at least 5-6 hours to complete. The Martian worked the first time with the software version 1.0.0.2 and I got an average of 7.5 MB/S. I plan on trying the rest of my UHD collection to see which ones work and which ones don’t.
I have 2 LG WH16NS40’s, and a Corei7 with 16 gigs of ram with numerous SSD drives that I rip to. Once I rip to an image I’ve used DVDFAB to create an MKV file to play on KODI and POWER DVD 17. Since this is an early version I don’t expect everything to be perfect. I’m just very happy that I can rip my discs to my NAS servers. I appreciate the fact that the Arusoft has given me this capability and a version of the software to test with. I will continue to legally purchase my discs and rip them myself. I will provide as much feedback as they need to aid this project.


#18

What do we need to send them and how?

I have many listed as supported. Of the 7 i have tried, 3 work:

Success:
Guardians of the Galaxy 2 (though rip seems bad?)
Max Max Fury Road
Hacksaw Ridge

Fail:

Star Trek Beyond
Fantastic Beasts
John Wick
The Martin Extended

For Guardians, I watched the 1st 30 mins. There was one audio dropout for a second or two. It will also fail to remux into an MKV container using mkvtoolsnix; i played back the raw m2ts. I’m going to try and re-rip.

Will also have to watch all three all the way through to confirm the rip.

I haven’t yet tried to remux the other two yet - will do so later and report back


#19

@TheShoe, I’ve added to the FAQ what to send and to where, see the (currently) last entry:


#20

I just want to give a statistics update after two weeks of DeUHD updates (and three additional discs being purchased):

Of my 20 titles (22 discs), 8 titles (10 discs) are claimed to be supported, but only 3 actually are. I’m at 14% of my collection actually ripped, even though “on paper” 45% should be. Put another way, only 30% of the discs that should work, do work. While I can’t fault DeUHD for discs having region specific discs (presumably), it is very frustrating that the only way for me to know a disc won’t work is to actually put it in and try. It would be nice if their website listed the region they acquired the disc from, instead of just the audio and subtitle tracks, since that’s obviously not enough to uniquely identify discs. That way I would have a better idea if it’s going to work before buying a movie (for example, a movie I already own on Blu-ray there’s no point to me upgrading to UHD if I can’t rip it; new titles I don’t previously have I always purchase on UHD if it exists).

And now that I say this and re-examine their support page, it looks like they are adding region information for some of their discs, but not all of them (not even all the new ones). Hopefully they can backfill all of this. And I curse myself that for Planet Earth II I imported the UK version, rather than getting the USA version, and it looks like the USA version is the one that DeUHD supports!

It should be noted that I was able to rip a 20171016 disc with DeUHD 1.0.0.2; I didn’t need to update to 1.0.0.3 (it hasn’t been clear if installing the update is necessary each week). Now to retry a few discs just-in-case that fixed them!