I can enable Fast Error Skip but doesnt work!

Hi. I am the proud owner of a Plextor 24x CDRW and a Pioneer 106 DVD-ROM. Before reformatting my computer I was able to make ‘on the fly’ copies with these babies. For some strange reason my DVD doesnt want to do fast error skips anymore even though I can enable it in Clone CD. Any suggestions ??

–Dan

was it always like this?
or did your cd rom do FES
before

Try playing with the FES settings… Eg. change from software to hardware correction (don’t use none) and lower the read retries.

Thanks for your replies:

I played with the FES settings. No go :frowning:
Um. My machine is fairly new (2 months old or so). I made ‘on the fly’ copies of NHL 2002, The Sims, Ultima ix from my Pioneer DVD to my Plextor 24x… I was using Win 2k. When WinXP came out I decided to upgrade to see how it would work. I had a Ghost Backup of my optimized Win2k configuration so it wouldnt hurt. Unfortunately WinXP didnt work out for me. No sweat. I dump my back up to my disk again right? Well, for some strange reason my backup didnt work. I could dump it, but Win2k wouldnt bootup, my BIOS wouldnt recognize a OS in the hard Drive. GRRRRReeeat. So I installed everything from scratch. Now my DVD cant FES.
Here is my hardware if it helps, thanks guys!!!

2 Athlon XP 1800 cooled by 2 Volcano 5’s
1024 MB ECC Registered RAM (Kingston)
Tyan Thunder K7 S2462 BIOS v2.09 MoBo w/o SCSI
Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum Ex (External IR Drive)
Asus v8200 GeForce 3 Deluxe
Plextor 24/12/40
Pioneer DVD 16x
1394 Firewire Card
Card Cooler Super Max Full Tower Case
NMB 460W Power Supply
IBM Desktar 7200 rpm 41GB Hard Drive
IBM Desktar 7200 rpm 45GB Hard Drive
MS NaturaL Keyboard PRO
Kensignton USB Trackball
21" KDS Monitor
Logitech Wingman USB Rumble GamePad
Logitech Wingman USB Digital Extreme 3d
Cambridge Soundworks DTS3500
Windows 2000 Professional w SP2

P.S.: I thought that what might have been causing my problem was AMD’s EIDE Drivers. I did a clean install and tried to read on my DVD without them. No go. :frowning:

try un-installing CCD and re-installing

Thanks for the suggestion… already tried it. Is there a version you recommend that I use ?

I’m using version 3.2.2.1
and I could copy SD2 fine with my yamaha 2100s

CloneCD has undergone some changes (for the better) when it comes to handling error sectors… It might be that it slows down the reading because each error sector is regenerated. It gives a better quality of the copy.

Changelog version Version 3.1.0.0

[ul][*]Error-free data sectors will be re-generated during reading. This new feature greatly improves the quality of the copy.[/ul]But then just make an image first and don’t write on-the-fly. Or do write o-t-f but at a lower write speed. These few minutes more shouldn’t be a problem right?

We’re not talking about a few minutes… we’re talking about a few hours. Ill post the log of a read later tonite so you see. Thanks for your tips guys. :slight_smile:

mojón…

Originally posted by Danyelunn
Before reformatting my computer

I pointed that part of your post out for a reason. Did you change OS’s? You gave good hardware specs, but what is different softwarewise?

The reason I ask is because I had a kickass gaming experience with my new Radeon 64MB SDR card until I installed a POS program called tweakXP. All hell broke loose and I am back running Win2k and glad for it. :smiley:

I’m still trying to figure out all these CD copy nuances though, and all the info you can provide helps the gurus around here.

Ed

Originally posted by Danyelunn
We’re not talking about a few minutes… we’re talking about a few hours.
Wow that’s indeed a big change… Please do post your LOG file here. Also try to use the Plextor as reader and see how long that takes…

Thanks guys. Im at my job. Ill get back to you either tomorrow or tonite with a Log and my software OS changes history.

Ok. I got this hardware assembled by mid november. I was running Win2k @ the time. Everything was running so cool… I was getting around 75xx marks in 3dMark 2001… I could make copies on the fly with CloneCD of my SD2 games…

The only software I installed that I think that could have made a difference is:

-Clone CD v3.2.2.1
-Adaptec ASPI Drivers v4.62
-AMD Power Management
-Service Pack 2 (win 2k)

  • everything enabled as UDMA (primary and secondary)

Ive got my two HD’s on my primary IDE, Plex is @ Master Secondary and the Pioneer is @ the Slave Secondary. It has ALWAYS been setup like this.

Right now I set up everything as listed above… I thought that installing AMD’s EIDE Driver would make a difference… it didnt. Playing with Fast Error Skip Settings doesnt help. I upgraded the revision of my DVD from 1.08 to 1.22 regionless…

any more information you might need? Ill get you those logs tonite or tomorrow… thanks guys

Guys, here is the log when reading from the DVD. It took me 37 minutes to read! (NHL2002 - SF2)

I 6:36:26 PM CloneCD Version 3.2.3.1 started!
I 6:36:26 PM ElbyCDIO Driver 3.2.2.1
I 6:36:26 PM ElbyCDIO.dll 3.2.3.1
I 6:36:26 PM CCDDriver.dll 3.2.3.1
I 6:36:26 PM ElbyECC.dll 3.1.0.0
I 6:36:26 PM Searching for SCSI/ATAPI devices…
I 6:36:35 PM Device Scan found 1 CD-ROMs and 1 CD-Writers!
I 6:36:49 PM Starting copy from PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-106 to E:\IMAGE.CCD
I 6:36:49 PM Read SubChannel Data from Data Tracks: No
I 6:36:49 PM Read SubChannel Data from Audio Tracks: No
I 6:36:49 PM Fast Error Skip: Yes
I 6:36:49 PM Don’t report read errors: No
I 6:36:49 PM Intelligent Bad Sector Scanner: No
I 6:36:49 PM CD contains CD-Text: No
I 6:36:49 PM Reading Track 1… (Blocks 0-325238)
W 6:36:55 PM If you don’t expect read errors on this CD, disable “Fast Error Skip”!
W 6:36:55 PM Failed to read Sector 823
W 6:36:56 PM Failed to read Sector 824
W 6:36:57 PM Failed to read Sector 825
W 6:36:58 PM Failed to read Sector 832
W 6:36:59 PM Failed to read Sector 833
W 6:37:00 PM Failed to read Sector 834
W 6:37:02 PM Failed to read Sector 839
W 6:37:03 PM Failed to read Sector 840
W 6:37:04 PM Failed to read Sector 841
W 6:37:06 PM Failed to read Sector 860
and going… and going…
W 6:42:09 PM Failed to read Sector 2584
W 6:42:10 PM Failed to read Sector 2585
W 6:42:11 PM Failed to read Sector 2586
W 6:42:12 PM Failed to read Sector 2609
and going… and going…
W 7:04:36 PM Failed to read Sector 10098
W 7:04:37 PM Failed to read Sector 10112
W 7:04:38 PM Failed to read Sector 10113
W 7:04:39 PM Failed to read Sector 10114
W 7:04:40 PM Failed to read Sector 10125
W 7:04:41 PM Failed to read Sector 10126
W 7:04:42 PM Failed to read Sector 10127
W 7:04:43 PM Failed to read Sector 10137
W 7:04:44 PM Failed to read Sector 10138
W 7:04:45 PM Failed to read Sector 10166
W 7:04:46 PM Failed to read Sector 10167
W 7:04:47 PM Failed to read Sector 10168
W 7:04:48 PM Failed to read Sector 10179
W 7:04:49 PM Failed to read Sector 10180
W 7:04:50 PM Failed to read Sector 10181
W 7:04:50 PM Failed to read Sector 10182
W 7:04:51 PM Failed to read Sector 10183
W 7:04:52 PM Failed to read Sector 10184
I 7:14:11 PM Duration of operation: 00:37:21
I 7:14:11 PM Reading finished!

Ooops. HERE is the log of the plextor. Sorry:

I 1:10:05 PM CloneCD Version 3.2.3.1 started!
I 1:10:05 PM ElbyCDIO Driver 3.2.2.1
I 1:10:05 PM ElbyCDIO.dll 3.2.3.1
I 1:10:05 PM CCDDriver.dll 3.2.3.1
I 1:10:05 PM ElbyECC.dll 3.1.0.0
I 1:10:05 PM Searching for SCSI/ATAPI devices…
I 1:10:05 PM Device Scan found 1 CD-ROMs and 1 CD-Writers!
I 1:10:26 PM Starting copy from PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W2410A to E:\IMAGE.CCD
I 1:10:26 PM Read SubChannel Data from Data Tracks: No
I 1:10:26 PM Read SubChannel Data from Audio Tracks: No
I 1:10:26 PM Fast Error Skip: Yes
I 1:10:26 PM Don’t report read errors: No
I 1:10:26 PM Intelligent Bad Sector Scanner: No
I 1:10:26 PM CD contains CD-Text: No
I 1:10:26 PM Reading Track 1… (Blocks 0-325238)
W 1:10:27 PM If you don’t expect read errors on this CD, disable “Fast Error Skip”!
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 823
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 832
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 839
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 860
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 885
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 901
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 902
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 914
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 939
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 976
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1001
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1004
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1024
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1049
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1052
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1077
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1093
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1094
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1106
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1119
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1131
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1156
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1168
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1193
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1238
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1263
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1275
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1288
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1301
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1313
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1342
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1358
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1383
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1395
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1404
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1420
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1445
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1457
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1458
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1474
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1499
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1502
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1520
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1527
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1540
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1565
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1577
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1578
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1619
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1640
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1647
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1681
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1684
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1709
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1710
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1722
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1738
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1751
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1763
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1784
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1801
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1829
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1830
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1842
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1858
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1871
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1883
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1892
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1904
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1920
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1933
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1945
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1974
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1987
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 1990
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 2015
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 2036
W 1:10:27 PM Failed to read Sector 2063
W 1:10:28 PM Failed to read Sector 2084
W 1:10:28 PM Failed to read Sector 2096
W 1:10:28 PM Failed to read Sector 2109
W 1:10:28 PM Failed to read Sector 2125
W 1:10:28 PM Failed to read Sector 2137
W 1:10:28 PM Failed to read Sector 2138
W 1:10:28 PM Failed to read Sector 2166
And Going… and going…
W 1:10:32 PM Failed to read Sector 8987
W 1:10:32 PM Failed to read Sector 8990
W 1:10:32 PM Failed to read Sector 9015
W 1:10:32 PM Failed to read Sector 9024
W 1:10:32 PM Failed to read Sector 9031
W 1:10:32 PM Failed to read Sector 9052
W 1:10:32 PM Failed to read Sector 9077
W 1:10:32 PM Failed to read Sector 9093
W 1:10:32 PM Failed to read Sector 9094
W 1:10:32 PM Failed to read Sector 9106
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9131
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9168
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9193
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9196
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9216
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9241
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9244
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9269
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9285
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9286
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9298
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9311
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9323
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9348
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9360
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9385
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9430
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9455
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9467
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9480
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9493
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9505
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9534
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9550
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9575
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9587
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9596
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9612
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9637
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9649
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9650
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9666
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9691
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9694
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9712
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9719
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9732
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9757
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9769
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9770
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9811
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9832
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9839
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9873
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9876
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9901
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9902
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9914
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9930
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9943
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9955
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9976
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 9993
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 10021
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 10022
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 10034
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 10050
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 10063
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 10075
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 10084
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 10096
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 10112
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 10125
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 10137
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 10166
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 10179
W 1:10:33 PM Failed to read Sector 10182
I 1:12:52 PM Duration of operation: 00:02:25
I 1:12:52 PM Reading finished!

seems to me your cd is really fuc…ed up! so no reader can do that trick!

throw the cd away
its gone

People get your facts straight here… The CD hasn’t gone crazy and should definately not be thrown away. It’s simply the SafeDisc 2 protection doing its ‘magic’.

Well the Plextor seems to do the job just fine. Of course you can use the Plextor as reader and make an image first. I don’t really know why the Pioneer suddenly takes so long to read the disc but it might have something to do with what I mentioned (regenerating the error sectors). Have you tried setting the FES settings to error correction None (not recommended by Olli) and read retries 0. See how long that takes.

Just tried it. Took 37 minutes with 52 seconds… :frowning: