How is the quality of MCC-004-00 (Verbatim) with your 716?

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#1

Hello everybody,

if bought a bunch of MCC-004-00 (spindle with 25 discs, Verbatim) because I saw some very nice burns @16x here in the forum:

First example of a very impressive scan (16x) made by rjih,

Second example: A scan by crossg (16x), which is still a lot better than mine,

Third example: One more scan by crossg, this time @12x, which is nearly perfect

At the end of this posting you can see my scans, done with a 716A/T3, TLA #0202, FW 1.04-1.06 (doesn’t matter).
The first @16x, the second is a better one @12x and the third one is a worse one @12x. The fourth scan is an “Optodisc OR8” burned at 6x, so as you can see, my 716A can do better. :wink: Unfortunately, those discs are not sold anymore where I used to buy them.

As you can see, they are a lot worse than the ones from rjih and crossg. :sad:
I think the discs burned at 12x are still okay (although they have lots of PIEs in total), but the 16x is really bad (still far from unreadable though).

  1. Sooo what do you think?
  2. How are your results with MCC-004-00 at what speeds?
  3. Can my 716A be called “defective”? I don’t think so.
  4. Sending it back to Plextor (RMA) would be quite unsocial, wouldn’t it?
  5. I would probably get a refurbished 716A back, so that could even be worse, right? I mean, this one is working! :wink:

Just tell me your thoughts please, I feel uncomfortable about these results. I mean, this thing wasn’t exactly what you’d call “cheap”… :sad:

Best regards,
Lord Voldemort


#2

Was PowerRecord enabled? How long take a burn?


#3

PowerRec was always enabled.
A burn @12x took approximately 6:30-6:40, @16x 5:54 for a test with Nero CD-DVD Speed.



#4

here’s one of my “average” Verbatim 16x DVD+R (MCC004) burns:

I 03:55:58 DVD Decrypter Version 3.5.4.0 started!
I 03:55:58 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 03:55:58 Initialising SPTI...
I 03:55:58 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 03:55:58 Found 2 DVD-ROMs and 2 DVD±RWs!
I 03:57:14 Operation Started!
I 03:57:14 Source File: C:\Documents and Settings\Phillip E. No\Desktop\CROUCHINGTIGERHIDDENDRAGON.nrg
I 03:57:14 Source File Sectors: 2,287,888 (MODE1/2048)
I 03:57:14 Source File Size: 4,685,594,624 bytes
I 03:57:14 Source File Application Identifier: NERO BURNING ROM
I 03:57:14 Source File Implementation Identifier: AHEAD Nero
I 03:57:14 Destination Device: [1:0:0] PLEXTOR DVDR   PX-716A 1.06 (E:) (ATA)
I 03:57:14 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: MCC-004-00) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x)
I 03:57:14 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104
I 03:57:14 Write Mode: DVD
I 03:57:15 Write Type: SAO
I 03:57:15 Write Speed: MAX
I 03:57:15 Link Size: Auto
I 03:57:15 Test Mode: No
I 03:57:15 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 03:57:15 Filling Buffer...
I 03:57:16 Writing LeadIn...
I 03:57:35 Writing Image...
I 04:02:45 Synchronising Cache...
I 04:02:51 Closing Track...
I 04:02:52 Finalising Disc...
I 04:03:06 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:05:51
I 04:03:06 Average Write Rate: 14,808 KB/s (10.7x) - Maximum Write Rate: 22,005 KB/s (15.9x)

<table class=“caption” spacing=“0” id=“Table2” border=“0” width=“100%”> <tbody><tr><td class=“item” align=“right” valign=“top” width=“20%”>Drive Info</td> <td> </td> <td colspan=“2”>ID:0 PLEXTOR DVDR PX-716A V1.06 (#140853)</td> </tr> <tr> <td class=“item” align=“right” valign=“top”>Test Settings</td> <td> </td> <td align=“left” valign=“top” width=“20%”>Read Speed:</td> <td align=“left”>2X CLV</td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> </td> <td align=“left” valign=“top” width=“20%”>Test Interval Length:</td> <td align=“left”>High Accuracy</td> </tr> <tr> <td class=“item” align=“right” valign=“top”>Test Result</td> <td> </td> <td align=“left” valign=“top” width=“20%”>Disc Info:</td> <td align=“left”>DVD_VIDEO DVD-ROM, 4468 MB (DVD_VIDEO)
</td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> </td> <td colspan=“2”>
<table class=“caption” spacing=“0” id=“Table3” border=“0” width=“100%”> <tbody><tr> <td width=“86”> </td> <td align=“right”>Avg</td> <td align=“right”>Max</td> <td align=“right”>Total</td> <td width=“60”> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width=“86”>PIE</td> <td align=“right”>1.04</td> <td align=“right”>109</td> <td align=“right”>148903</td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width=“86”>POF</td> <td align=“right”>-</td> <td align=“right”>-</td> <td align=“right”>0</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody> </table>
<table class=“caption” spacing=“0” id=“Table2” border=“0” width=“100%”> <tbody><tr><td class=“item” align=“right” valign=“top” width=“20%”>Drive Info</td> <td> </td> <td colspan=“2”>ID:0 PLEXTOR DVDR PX-716A V1.06 (#140853)</td> </tr> <tr> <td class=“item” align=“right” valign=“top”>Test Settings</td> <td> </td> <td align=“left” valign=“top” width=“20%”>Read Speed:</td> <td align=“left”>2X CLV</td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> </td> <td align=“left” valign=“top” width=“20%”>Test Interval Length:</td> <td align=“left”>High Accuracy</td> </tr> <tr> <td class=“item” align=“right” valign=“top”>Test Result</td> <td> </td> <td align=“left” valign=“top” width=“20%”>Disc Info:</td> <td align=“left”>DVD_VIDEO DVD-ROM, 4468 MB (DVD_VIDEO)
</td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> </td> <td colspan=“2”>
<table class=“caption” spacing=“0” id=“Table3” border=“0” width=“100%”> <tbody><tr> <td width=“86”> </td> <td align=“right”>Avg</td> <td align=“right”>Max</td> <td align=“right”>Total</td> <td width=“60”> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width=“86”>PIF</td> <td align=“right”>0.01</td> <td align=“right”>3</td> <td align=“right”>1007</td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width=“86”>POF</td> <td align=“right”>-</td> <td align=“right”>-</td> <td align=“right”>0</td> <td> </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody> </table>


#5

Hm, still better than mine, but at least not as perfect as the others. :wink:


#6

I had superb results with this media on my new PX-716SA TLA #0305 drive (firmware 1.06). My scans are below: This disc was burned at 16X with PoweRec ON and read back in Plextools at 2X:

PIE:

http://club.cdfreaks.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31747&stc=1

PIF:

http://club.cdfreaks.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31749&stc=1

Below are the Beta Jitter results. All TA test results come back “Good”.



#7

Damn, that doesn’t look too good for my writer. :sad:


#8

it could just be media variation. how many different spindles of MCC004 have you tried?

none of your PIF scans are bad…how are the read transfer rate curves? PIE is overemphasized in terms of evaluating disc quality.


#9

Perhaps… - One until now. I know, that’s not much. :bigsmile:
I will buy another one on monday.

  • I wonder if there are regional media variations. As you might have seen, I live in Germany. :wink:

none of your PIF scans are bad…
That is true.

how are the read transfer rate curves?
They are ok. I haven’t tested the 16x one yet though.

PIE is overemphasized in terms of evaluating disc quality.
Hm, in general you are right, but I think my results are particularly bad. A PIE max of 205 is not too far away from 280.


#10

looks comparable to mine @ 12x:

http://club.cdfreaks.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30328&stc=1

I know my drive is not “defective” because I can get this with TY @12x:

http://club.cdfreaks.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30327&stc=1

My experience with MCC004 has been fairly mixed, 95% of them will net me a sub-20 max PIE scan (which is nothing to complain about), but I have not gotten a straight sub-10 max PIE scan from a combination of 3 different spindles and on 3 different drives.

Given their cost (more expensive than the sony/fuji yuden I normally get), I would have expected similar results. Also keep in mind that at least 1/3 of each my spindles fails the plextool media quality check and some of these fail to burn at 12x (they revert to a 4x or 6x). I live in the west coast, if that matters to anyone.


#11

Lord Voldemort: how many test you did @16x? If only one, try to test another disk @16x. Make sure PoweRec is enabled.

Please report back.


#12

lol That is by no means comparable to my results! :eek:
You got a PIE max of 17, I one of around 60!

My experience with MCC004 has been fairly mixed, 95% of them will net me a sub-20 max PIE scan (which is nothing to complain about),
Indeed. :cool:
If I had sub-20 scans, I would not be posting here. And I wouldn’t worry about anything.

Given their cost (more expensive than the sony/fuji yuden I normally get), I would have expected similar results.
The Verbatim MCC-004-00 are quite cheap for me (around 0,75€ / disc). :eek: Perhaps I should try to get some Sony then.
Also keep in mind that at least 1/3 of each my spindles fails the plextool media quality check and some of these fail to burn at 12x (they revert to a 4x or 6x).
Oh, interesting to know. :slight_smile:


#13

14 discs (talking about the MCC-004-00), but all from the same spindle. 13 burned @12x, one @16x.


#14

Well to be honest, I’m not sure about the pricing in Germany ^_^, but to clarify, I am talking about taiyo yuden dvds (distributed by sony, among others, in the US).


#15

And that means…? :confused:


#16

You need to try more @16x then you can judge. :iagree:


#17

Like dripino and zevia stated try different batches of MCC 004. :iagree:
I have had different quality in batches of the same MID.


#18

I have 6 25-packs of MCC004 (Verbatim brand 16X DVD+R). I won’t buy any more-- the quality is too variable. I recently bought a new drive and was testing whether it works using some of these MCC004 media. I thought my new drive was bad. Then I checked the next disc by doing a 16X burn on my Benq 1620 B7U9 drive. Same results–a coaster. Mainly, too many PIFs at the end of the disc, and jitter is terrible.

On TY02 discs at 8X, my jitter graph runs horizontally across the bottom near the “Low” label. Not much vertical variation. At 16X, jitter becomes increased, but is still always on the low side, only trending upward at a few spots along the disc.

On MCC004 discs at 16X, jitter is widely variable. Similar results happen on discs burned on my Benq 1620. If I reduce the speed to 8X, jitter is STILL widely variable. It’s as if these discs require a different power setting or something. A large percentage (>30%) of one of my stacks can only be burned reliably at 4X–for stinking 16X discs!! Then there are the few discs that go to 16X all the way without a hitch. It’s as if they were a different brand!

Below is a graph of a bad MCC004 burn at its rated 16X speed. Results on the Benq and the Plextor look nearly identical. Superimposed in lighter colors on this is a TY02 burn at its rated 8X speed. There’s no comparison. In fact, the 8X-rated TY media burns better at 16X than the 16X rated MCC media. So, I won’t buy any more of these. I’ve seen enough bad burns across all drives, including NEC, that I know the media is too variable.



#19

Well Beeder, nice comparison… pretty sad if it’s true that MCC004 has a very wide variation… and I still have 4 x 25packs unopened!


#20

@Beeder: thank you so much for your posting!! :slight_smile:
Really interesting, and it lets me hope that my Plextor isn’t as bad as I have feared.
Yesterday I have ordered 10 more Verbatim 16x (from a totally different vendor), but also 50 Taiyo Yuden (YUDEN000T02, Fuji brand). I’ll see how they work for me. :slight_smile: