[QUOTE=TSJnachos117;2779536]Where I live, the California, USA, I didn’t really get to vote. [I]Officially[/I] I casted a “preliminary vote”, meaning my vote is pending some kind of verification (like so many others, I was registered as “vote-by-mail”, even though I didn’t register myself as vote-by-mail). Unofficially, pretty much every California citizen who has had a preliminary vote knows that this is just voting censorship in disguise. Is that fraudulent or what?
In America, the requirement for ID [I][B]is[/B][/I] voting fraud. In some states, voters are denied ID specifically so that they can’t vote. This is often motivated by racism.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=UTR;2779550]It is motivated by politics not racism. As can be seen by the posts from most people outside the USA, presenting a photo ID prior to voting is the norm and not the exception. Voter fraud is real and unless measures are taken to prevent it then the outcome of elections may not necessarily be based on the will of the legitimate voters.[/QUOTE]
While I can’t opine here, I will say that:
Voter fraud is obviously a real concept.
Obtaining a valid ID is also often a hurdle to be crossed (where, whether due to malicious intent or not, people have to jump through extra hoops to gain valid ID and often enough are unable to get the ID in time). It is an issue in specific communities, which ends up effectively causing the discrepancy you two are discussing now.
So long as we acknowledge both of those facts and move on, all will be well. Any further discussion of that bit may have to move to PMs.