Help Needed! Date Cd-r Was Burned

vbimport

#1

I have just bought a rare Evanescence album - only 50 made in CD-R in 1999 (4 years before “Fallen” - their official 1st album!) but since it is just a silver CD-R in plain jewel case - no artwork, label, cover etc it could easily be a fake!

Is it possible to check the year it was created? or last modified? I have tried checking this in the properties tab but it just says 01 Jan 1995 which it also says for other CD’s I know cant be. Is this just the defualt setting for CD’s which my PC cant check?

It was a very expensive album so any help much appreciated! I’ve been searching for 2hours now for software than can check! no success :frowning:


#2

Hi and Welcome,

to tell a pressed CD from a CD-R, just use the “Disc Info” tab in Nero CD/DVD Speed (you need a CD or DVD burner for testing).
On a burned CD, the software will provide information about the manufactuer of the media. This won’t happen on pressed discs.

Different from that, there is IMO no way to find out, when a pressed disc was made.

Michael

EDIT: If the original was published on CD-R, and not on a factory pressed disc, then the information provided by CD/DVD Speed might help checking if media was used that was common in 1999 or not.


#3

Hi, thanks for your reply! The problem is that the original copies were released on CD-R and are not factory pressed CD’s!

This was when the band was just forming and did not have a label or money to make a proper album.

So really I need to know when i.e. the year the CD-R was burned or when the tracks where created as the fakes were made post 2003 and the real ones in 1999.

Any more info much appreciated! it cost me $400!


#4

[QUOTE=memento_mori;2061393]Hi, thanks for your reply! The problem is that the original copies were released on CD-R and are not factory pressed CD’s!

This was when the band was just forming and did not have a label or money to make a proper album.

So really I need to know when i.e. the year the CD-R was burned or when the tracks where created as the fakes were made post 2003 and the real ones in 1999.

Any more info much appreciated! it cost me $400![/QUOTE]

Hi, tell us what kind of CD-R it is. What is its ATIP (you can check it in Nero CD-DVD Speed or DVD Identifier). It should be some 4-16x speed ATIP otherwise you CD-R is fake and you wasted your $400 :wink:


#5

DVDInfo Pro is a good app for that. There is a free w/adverts version so i don’t think you need the registered version.


#6

Not sure how to find out the ATIP?

I have 2 copies of this CD-R the first one cost $400 and the second $300.

The first one (which I think may be a fake): Has a code on the inner silver ring R052-2813-6274 and a code (written in black) on the inner clear plastic 6176G39211 23

The second one (which I think is genuine): Has MRL0123456789 and CD-R 80MIN NHPEARL B0009-10 on the inner silver ring and IFPI 4341 on inner clear plastic.

Not sure if any of this is useful??

Thanks!


#7

[quote=memento_mori;2061403]Not sure how to find out the ATIP? [/quote]Run Nero CD/DVD Speed, insert the disc and have a look at the “Disc Info” tab. Post the output here, please.

I have 2 copies of this CD-R the first one cost $400 and the second $300.
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The first one (which I think may be a fake): Has a code on the inner silver ring R052-2813-6274 and a code (written in black) on the inner clear plastic 6176G39211 23

The second one (which I think is genuine): Has MRL0123456789 and CD-R 80MIN NHPEARL B0009-10 on the inner silver ring and IFPI 4341 on inner clear plastic.
I am not sure if 80 min CD-R was common in 1999.

EDIT: [google]MRL0123456789[/google] —> http://bbs.et8.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=475066 (something for our chinese members) This was posted in 2004.

Please post the output of CD/DVD Speed (Disc Info tab).


#8

I have found this info out
First CD-R
ATIP = 97m 32s 19f
Disc Manufacturer = Prodisc Technology Inc.
Recording layer = dye (short strategy)
recording speed = unkown

Second CD-R
ATIP = 97m 24s 01f
Disc Manufacturer = Taiyo Yuden Company LTD.
Recording layer = dye (long stategy)
recording speed = unkown

Any use?


#9

[QUOTE=memento_mori;2061403]Not sure how to find out the ATIP?

I have 2 copies of this CD-R the first one cost $400 and the second $300.

The first one (which I think may be a fake): Has a code on the inner silver ring R052-2813-6274 and a code (written in black) on the inner clear plastic 6176G39211 23

The second one (which I think is genuine): Has MRL0123456789 and CD-R 80MIN NHPEARL B0009-10 on the inner silver ring and IFPI 4341 on inner clear plastic.

Not sure if any of this is useful??

Thanks![/QUOTE]

You have an old Prodisc CD-R, I wonder if it is still readable… You should immediately reburn it to another CD-R (if you will be able to copy it…). However I am still not sure whether your CD-R is not fake (those CD-R is old but I am not sure whether is old enough :stuck_out_tongue: to be legit), please send us
ATIP - download Nero CD-DVD Speed, click on Disc Info and send us a screen.


#10

I think we need Two Degrees in here for those ring codes…


#11

[quote=mciahel;2061411]Run Nero CD/DVD Speed, insert the disc and have a look at the “Disc Info” tab. Post the output here, please.
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I am not sure if 80 min CD-R was common in 1999.

Please post the output of CD/DVD Speed (Disc Info tab).[/quote]

I think you could have a point there! I have tried to find out if the original was 70min or 80min but since this is so rare there doesnt seem to be any info on it. The only info available is: released by “Bigwig Enterprises” (small record label) in August 1999. 50 copies pressed.


#12

“You should immediately reburn it to another CD-R”

Any reason why?

I will download Nero CD-DVD Speed now (can i get it free?) and tell you the info!

Thanks for all the help! much appreciated :slight_smile:


#13

FIRST CD-R
Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
Basic Information
Disc type: : CD-R
Manufacturer: : Prodisc
MID : 97m32s19f
Write speeds: : 8 X - 16 X - 24 X - 32 X - 40 X - 48 X
Capacity: : 79:59.71
: 703 MB
Extended Information
Usage : General
Disc Status : Closed
Raw Data
ATIP
0000 - E0 00 B0 00 61 20 13 00 4F 3B 47 00 00 00 80 00 - …a…O;G…
0010 - 00 80 00 00 00 80 80 00 - …


#14

SECOND CD-R

Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
Basic Information
Disc type: : CD-R
Manufacturer: : Taiyo Yuden
MID : 97m24s01f
Write speeds: : 8 X - 16 X - 24 X - 32 X - 40 X - 48 X
Capacity: : 79:59.72
: 703 MB
Extended Information
Usage : General
Disc Status : Closed
Raw Data
ATIP
0000 - 80 00 98 00 61 18 01 00 4F 3B 48 00 00 00 80 00 - …a…O;H…
0010 - 00 80 00 00 00 80 80 00 - …


#15

[QUOTE=memento_mori;2061403]

The second one (which I think is genuine): Has MRL0123456789 and CD-R 80MIN NHPEARL B0009-10 on the inner silver ring and IFPI 4341 on inner clear plastic.[/QUOTE]

I’m fairly sure that’s not a genuine TY CDR…but I’ve been wrong before now :slight_smile:

Edit: It’s the IFPI bit that makes me suspicious :slight_smile:


#16

Did that info help? Any info? thanks all!


#17

Nero shows both are capapable of 48X. Was that speed even available in 1999?

RM


#18

[QUOTE=RichMan;2061497]Nero shows both are capapable of 48X. Was that speed even available in 1999?

RM[/QUOTE]
I don’t think so. As far as I can recall 24x was about the state of the art then.

In any event, the discs almost certainly are pirate copies. If the original run was only 50 copies, then, even if burnt rather than being pressed, it is highly unlikely that 2 different types of media would have been used.


#19

I think that this is a real TY. I found a TY disc (Sony branded) from about 9 years. This is what CD Speed says.



#20

[quote=juancdg;2061523]I think that this is a real TY. I found a TY disc (Sony branded) from about 9 years. This is what CD Speed says.[/quote]If the drive used is a genuine Plextor, I believe you are offered the max speed the drive is spec’d for. If the OP ISN’T using a Plextor, then I’m not sure what the case is.