Actually, it may be bad components or bad system, but my attitude was anything but bad. Counts the "Pleases" and "Thank yous", Morons. Aside from furballi, who gave the only actual constructive suggestion, bikemike and whoever the rat's ass was, did nothing but be a caricature of the snotty computer repair guy from the old Saturday Night Live skits, but at least HE solved the problem in the skit. Once again, thanks for nothing. Thanks for taking the time to reply with no helpful advice, if only to waste your and my time. Crap in = Crap out also applies to the contributors to this site.