HELP! 32123s burner is slow

[bigteethygrin]

hi guys, I'm pretty novice to the intricacies of cd burning, but I'm sure I'm not getting the full potential out of my new liteon cd burner and was hoping for some help.

I have upgraded my 12x burner which would do a 650 mb cd in about 5mins 30secs to the liteon 32x12x40x burner which at the moment is burning 650mb cd's in about 5 mins. I was certainly hoping for a bigger improvement than 30 secs.

My system is a p3 933mhz, motherboard is asus cusl2-c i have 256 mb ram, cd-rw is on secondary ide as master (100mhz ultra ata) and the hdd is on primary master (100 mhz ultra ata - seagate 7200 rpm). I am using the asus supplied ultra ata ide drivers on windows 2000 pro, which automatically turns the dma mode on on both ide channels.

i use nero 5.5.7.2 th entire os is a fesh install about 2 days old. I can see one problem in that when i do a burn i can see the buffer going up and down. I'm sure this cant be right because the hdd speed and ide channel speed should both be mouch faster than the cd-r burning speed of 4,800 kbps so there should be no reason for the buffer to empty out b4 it is burnt to disc.

Can anyone help me out please????

[bigteethygrin]

this is my ultra ata storage report incase anyone needs extra info:

Intel Ultra ATA Companion, Version 3.00.001
Tue Apr 23 13:53:55 2002 (Local)
Tue Apr 23 03:53:55 2002 (GMT)

 Operating System
      Windows 2000 (Build 5.0.2195Service Pack 2)

 Platform Information
      Processor Type: 586
      Processor level: Family6
      Processor Revision: Model 8 Stepping 6
      Active Processor Mask: 1
      Number of Processors: 1

 Controller Information
      IDE Controller:  Intel 82801BA Ultra ATA Controller, ICH2
      Storage Kit Build(s):  6.02.005
      Storage Kit Installed:  6.02.005
      Driver Build:  Intel Ultra ATA Storage Driver for Windows 2000
      Driver Version:  Version 6.01.008, 05/30/2000
      IDE Controller Tri-State:  IDE Controller enabled
      PIO Mode Support:  0 - 2 - 3 - 4
      DMA SW Mode Support:  2
      DMA MW Mode Support:  1 - 2
      UDMA Mode Support:  0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5
      Disk Timeout Value:  Default
      CDROM Timeout Value:  Default
      CD Audio Timeout Value:  Default
      UDMA on 80 conductor cable only:  Default, Disabled
      Flush Enable:  Default, Disabled
      Ping Pong Enable:  Enabled

 Channel Information
      Primary Channel
           No Data
      Secondary Channel
           No Data

 Device Information
      Primary Master:  ST340016A
           Model:  ST340016A
           Firmware:  3.19
           Device Type:  ATA - Fixed
           PIO Mode Support:  0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4
           DMA SW Mode Support:  No Support
           DMA MW Mode Support:  0 - 1 - 2
           UDMA Mode Support:  0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5
           LBA:  0x04A8B570
           CHS:  3FFF x 0010 x 003F
           CHS Sectors:  0x00FBFC10
           Disk Size:  37.3 GB (40,020,664,320 bytes)
           Default Transfer Mode:  UDMA-5
           Current Transfer Mode:  UDMA-5
           Transfer Mode Limit:  No Limit
           Cable Type (Device):  80 Conductor
           Cable Type (Host):  80 Conductor
           PIO PPE:  Enabled
           UDMA Control Register:  Ultra DMA Mode Enabled
           UDMA Timing Register:  CT = 3 CLK / RP = 16 CLK
           Base Clock:  Ultra DMA 100 Timings

           Device Identify Data:
                      0    1    2    3    4    5    6    7
                  0  5ac0 ff3f 0000 1000 0000 0000 3f00 0000 
                  8  0000 0000 4833 3253 5344 4233 2020 2020 
                 16  2020 2020 2020 2020 0000 0010 4000 2e33 
                 24  3931 2020 2020 5453 3433 3030 3631 2041 
                 32  2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 
                 40  2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 1080 
                 48  0000 002f 0000 0020 0020 7000 ff3f 1000 
                 56  3f00 10fc fb00 1010 70b5 a840 0000 7000 
                 64  3000 7800 7800 f000 7800 0000 0000 0000 
                 72  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                 80  3e00 0000 6b34 104b 0040 6834 1020 0040 
                 88  3f20 0000 0000 fefe feff 0060 8080 0000 
                 96  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                104  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                112  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                120  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                128  1000 70b5 a840 70b5 a840 2020 2000 b642 
                136  0020 3019 603c 203c ffff c670 0010 0080 
                144  b190 0040 2000 3000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                152  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 a100 b000 
                160  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                168  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                176  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                184  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                192  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                200  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                208  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                216  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                224  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                232  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                240  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                248  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 a5fa 

 
      Primary Slave:  CDU5211
           Model:  CDU5211
           Firmware:  YYS2
           Device Type:  ATAPI - Removable - CDROM
           PIO Mode Support:  0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4
           DMA SW Mode Support:  0 - 1 - 2
           DMA MW Mode Support:  0 - 1 - 2
           UDMA Mode Support:  0 - 1 - 2
           Default Transfer Mode:  UDMA-2
           Current Transfer Mode:  UDMA-2
           Transfer Mode Limit:  No Limit
           Cable Type (Device):  40 Conductor
           Cable Type (Host):  80 Conductor
           PIO PPE:  Disabled
           UDMA Control Register:  Ultra DMA Mode Enabled
           UDMA Timing Register:  CT = 2 CLK / RP = 4 CLK
           Base Clock:  Ultra DMA 33 Timings

           Device Identify Data:
                      0    1    2    3    4    5    6    7
                  0  a085 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                  8  0000 0000 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 
                 16  2020 2020 2020 2020 0000 0000 0000 5959 
                 24  3253 2020 2020 4443 3555 3132 2031 2020 
                 32  2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 
                 40  2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 0000 
                 48  0000 00f0 0000 0020 0020 6000 0000 0000 
                 56  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 7000 7000 
                 64  3000 7800 7800 7800 7800 0000 0000 0000 
                 72  0000 2000 9000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                 80  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                 88  7040 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                 96  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                104  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                112  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                120  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                128  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                136  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                144  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                152  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                160  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                168  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                176  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                184  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                192  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                200  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                208  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                216  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                224  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                232  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                240  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                248  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 

 
      Secondary Master:  LITE-ON LTR-32123S
           Model:  LITE-ON LTR-32123S
           Firmware:  XS0F
           Device Type:  ATAPI - Removable - CDROM
           PIO Mode Support:  0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4
           DMA SW Mode Support:  No Support
           DMA MW Mode Support:  0 - 1 - 2
           UDMA Mode Support:  0 - 1 - 2
           Default Transfer Mode:  UDMA-2
           Current Transfer Mode:  UDMA-2
           Transfer Mode Limit:  No Limit
           Cable Type (Device):  40 Conductor
           Cable Type (Host):  80 Conductor
           PIO PPE:  Enabled
           UDMA Control Register:  Ultra DMA Mode Enabled
           UDMA Timing Register:  CT = 2 CLK / RP = 4 CLK
           Base Clock:  Ultra DMA 33 Timings

           Device Identify Data:
                      0    1    2    3    4    5    6    7
                  0  c085 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                  8  0000 0000 1d00 4630 2020 2020 2020 2020 
                 16  2020 2020 2020 2020 0000 0000 0000 5358 
                 24  4630 2020 2020 494c 4554 4f2d 204e 544c 
                 32  2d52 3233 3231 5333 2020 2020 2020 2020 
                 40  2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 0000 
                 48  0000 00b0 0000 0020 0020 6000 0000 0000 
                 56  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 7000 
                 64  3000 7800 7800 e300 7800 0000 0000 0000 
                 72  0000 4000 9000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                 80  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                 88  7040 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                 96  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                104  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                112  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                120  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                128  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                136  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                144  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                152  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                160  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                168  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                176  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                184  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                192  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                200  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                208  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                216  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                224  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                232  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                240  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 
                248  0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 

 
      Secondary Slave:  No Device Connected


 PCI Configuration
      PCI Configuration Registers - Function 0 (PCI to ISA Bridge)
                 0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  a  b  c  d  e  f  
           0X:  86 80 40 24 0f 01 80 02 02 00 01 06 00 00 80 00 
           1X:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           2X:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           3X:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           4X:  01 e4 00 00 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           5X:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 ec 00 00 10 00 00 00 
           6X:  09 80 80 09 d0 00 00 00 80 80 09 09 00 00 00 00 
           7X:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           8X:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           9X:  f5 54 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           aX:  22 02 03 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           bX:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 00 00 00 00 
           cX:  00 00 00 00 60 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           dX:  03 20 00 00 02 0a 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           eX:  10 00 00 80 00 00 0c 14 33 22 00 00 00 00 67 45 
           fX:  0f 00 60 00 00 00 00 00 47 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 

      PCI Configuration Registers - Function 1 (IDE Interface)
                 0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  a  b  c  d  e  f  
           0X:  86 80 4b 24 05 00 80 02 02 80 01 01 00 00 00 00 
           1X:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           2X:  01 b8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 43 10 27 80 
           3X:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           4X:  37 e3 03 a3 0b 00 00 00 07 00 21 02 00 00 00 00 
           5X:  00 00 00 00 70 14 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           6X:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           7X:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           8X:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           9X:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           aX:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           bX:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           cX:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           dX:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           eX:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
           fX:  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 47 0f 00 00 00 00 00 00 


 Registry Data
      SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\intelata\Parameters
           PrimaryMasterMode,REG_DWORD,ffffffff
           PrimarySlaveMode,REG_DWORD,ffffffff
           SecondaryMasterMode,REG_DWORD,ffffffff
           SecondarySlaveMode,REG_DWORD,ffffffff
           BusType,REG_DWORD,3
           AtapiOnPrimary,REG_DWORD,ffffffff
           AtapiOnSecondary,REG_DWORD,ffffffff
           SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\intelata\Parameters\PnpInterface
                1,REG_DWORD,1

      System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Cdrom
           Autorun,REG_DWORD,1
           AutoRunAlwaysDisable,REG_MULTI_SZ,NEC     MBR-7   ,NEC     MBR-7.4 ,PIONEER CHANGR DRM-1804X,PIONEER CD-ROM DRM-6324X,PIONEER CD-ROM DRM-624X ,TORiSAN CD-ROM CDR_C36
           DependOnGroup,REG_MULTI_SZ,SCSI miniport
           ErrorControl,REG_DWORD,1
           Group,REG_SZ,SCSI CDROM Class
           Start,REG_DWORD,1
           Tag,REG_DWORD,2
           Type,REG_DWORD,1
           DisplayName,REG_SZ,CD-ROM Driver
           ImagePath,REG_EXPAND_SZ,System32\DRIVERS\cdrom.sys
           System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Cdrom\Enum
                0,REG_SZ,SCSI\CdRom&Ven_SONY&Prod_CDU5211&Rev_YYS2\1&1698025b&0&010
                Count,REG_DWORD,2
                NextInstance,REG_DWORD,2
                1,REG_SZ,SCSI\CdRom&Ven_LITE-ON&Prod_LTR-32123S&Rev_XS0F\1&3de51b6&0&000

      System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Disk
           DependOnGroup,REG_MULTI_SZ,SCSI miniport
           ErrorControl,REG_DWORD,1
           Group,REG_SZ,SCSI Class
           Start,REG_DWORD,0
           Tag,REG_DWORD,2
           Type,REG_DWORD,1
           DisplayName,REG_SZ,Disk Driver
           ImagePath,REG_EXPAND_SZ,System32\DRIVERS\disk.sys
           System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Disk\Enum
                0,REG_SZ,SCSI\Disk&Ven_ST340016&Prod_A&Rev_3.19\1&1698025b&0&000
                Count,REG_DWORD,1
                NextInstance,REG_DWORD,1

      System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Cdaudio
           ErrorControl,REG_DWORD,0
           Group,REG_SZ,Filter
           Start,REG_DWORD,1
           Tag,REG_DWORD,6
           Type,REG_DWORD,1
           System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Cdaudio\Enum
                Count,REG_DWORD,0
                NextInstance,REG_DWORD,0
                INITSTARTFAILED,REG_DWORD,1

[OC-Freak]

Just a personal experience: In many cases the Intel IDE driver is doing more bad than good.

I recommend you to download Nero CD-Speed from www.cdspeed2000.com and measure the read and write speeds.

Nero CD-Speed will also tell you the real speed the writer is writing at (It will not write all types of media at 32X).

And it also depends on:

What was you writing? Music data?
Writing on the fly from a CD-ROM or writing from the harddrive?

[bigteethygrin]

Thanks for the advice, I have actually solved the problem now and am getting the full 32x burning speed from my liteon (WAHOOOOO!).

My Solution:

I discovered this yesterday b4 your post but yes oc freak you are the wise one intel ata drivers are a definite no no for everyone!.. Windows 2000 native udma drivers appear to be much more effective (funny how intel can build it but have no idea how to use it!).

I measured my speeds by using clonecd after reading all about this little program from you guys, and saw huge differences when i changed the drivers. I’d use cd speed, but umm… kinda embarressingly never realy bothered to find out how to use it. Wish it would proimpt me as to what cd it actually wants in the drive to read. All it does is just stop me straight away saying wrong cd in drive.

Anyways back to the point, the 32x speed mentioned was only measured directly off the hard drive, I use daemon tools to open images i make when backing up my dvd’s to svcd format then do a cd copy on the fly. I havent measured the speed from actual cd to cd, though i dont expect it to be as fast as hard drive to cd, but as long as i have reached the max speed i know that liteon have done their job right.

anyways thanks for your help everyone!.. I know only one replied but i could see lots took a look at it for me… your all a bunch of legends!

[Luv_To_Burn]

I’ve just purchased and installed the 32X LiteOn (3123s). I have the same problem with burn speed being sluggish. Copying data from my HDD (7200 RPM) to a 700 MB CDR takes me 6:05 at 32X. When I read your solution I thought I would give it a try. You said that you installed the native windows drivers. My question is: Did you delete the Intel Ultra ATA Drivers or did you just go to Control Panel, System, Device Manager and update the drivers for the LiteOn without deleting the Intel Ultra ATA drivers. My operating system is Windows 98 SE and I have an ASUS cusl2-C motherboard. If the driver update does not increase speed, would you please send me some other possible solutions.

[OC-Freak]

If you have intel ata driver installed there is normally an uninstallation program as well included. Or maybe you could find it under controlpanel --> add/remove programs

You may also download Nero CD-Speed and measure the write speed. Just insert an empty CD-R disc and hit the start button.

Then it should start writing at 16X jump to 20X then 24X and finally 32X near the middle of the disc.

If it do not increase speed --> try other media.

If the curve looks weird/bumpy all time --> DMA is probably not enabled for the writer.

Go to device manager, find your Writer under CD-ROM’s and check it’s properties. Is there a checkbox for DMA? Make sure that it’s checked.

[rocky500]

I had the same problem with my 32x LiteOn & Win2000 Pro.
When the Liteon is burning the led on the front would switch from red to orange all the way through the burn.
It wouldn’t burn faster than 18x at any point.
Total time to burn disk was always close to 6 mins at 32x burn.

In my case I have a AMD 761 Chipset with a Via IDE controller.
I was using the standard Windows Via ide drivers.
I downloaded the Via IDE filter & Bus Master drivers.
Applied the filter first, reboot, no difference.
Applied the bus master, Reboot, Drive stop working altogether.

Uninstalled the bus master & changed the IDE cable from a ATA66/100 to a standard IDE cable.

Now burns a full 700mb in 3mins 18 seconds & the led on the front stays RED the whole way.

Not sure if changing the cable or putting on the bus master drivers playing with some settings with the ide tool then uninstalling fixed the problem.

Just posting this as it was also a IDE driver problem but not an intel like the others.