4163B: DVD-RAM Media

Kenshin 2004-12-17 22:06:47 UTC #1

So far, I've seen results with these DVD-RAM media.

Hitachi-Maxell 5x DVD-RAM 4.7GB
Hitachi-Maxell 3x DVD-RAM 4.7GB
Matsushita-Panasonic 3x DVD-RAM 4.7GB
Lead Data DVD-RAM 5.2GB (2.6GB per side)

At least, Maxell 3x, Maxell 5x, and Panasonic 3x seem to work reliabiy.

Panasonic (made by Matsushita) 3x DVD-RAM on GSA-4120B tested by Mr. C. in Seoul (who a few minutes from Yongsan market.):

http://www.storageinfo.co.kr/EzMODse/viewtopic.php?t=28283

Media Information
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
MediaCode MatsushitaElectricIndustrialCO.,LTD.M01J3004
Format Type UDF 2.84
Volume Name
Application id
Implementation id
Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy) 0/ 0/ 0 0:00:00
Format Capacity 4.27GB(4.58GB)
Book Type DVD-RAM
Media Type DVD-RAM
Available Write Descriptor zCLV 3.0x 4155KBps
Data area starting sector 31000h
Data area end sector 22211Fh
Linear Density 0.280um/bit
Track Density 0.615um/track
Number of Layers 1

Complete Media Code
00000220 0C 09 0A 0B 0B 09 0A 0A 0B 4D 61 74 73 75 73 68 .........Matsush
00000230 69 74 61 20 45 6C 65 63 74 72 69 63 20 49 6E 64 ita Electric Ind
00000240 75 73 74 72 69 61 6C 20 43 4F 2E 2C 4C 54 44 2E ustrial CO.,LTD.
00000250 0D 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 4D 30 31 4A 33 30 30 . M01J300
00000260 34 0D 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 01 01 82 00 6A 2D 2D 4. ....j--

Kenshin 2004-12-18 02:46:01 UTC #2

Some pictures, posted by Mr. C.

For those who don't mind MB-size files, here.

TiGrBaLm 2004-12-18 06:36:49 UTC #3

Hi Kenshin,

Is DVD-RAM media cheap in SK? If so would it be possible to buy it from there somehow?

Ive just located a seller on Ebay who is selling Maxell (3X)4.7GB DVD-RAMs for $12 US for a 5 pack, the problem is that he won't ship overseas (Im in Canada). So that works itself out to 2.40 US a disc, super cheap! Same ones I bought in Japan which are going at ~2600Yen for the same pack. These discs are great, I love em!

Sen 2004-12-18 06:51:15 UTC #4

Mitsubishi 5x DVD-RAM (Made in Japan)

Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
MediaCode                                                           MXL16
Format Capacity                                            4.27GB(4.58GB)
Book Type                                                         DVD-RAM
Media Type                                                        DVD-RAM
Available Write Descriptor                          zCLV  5.0x   6925KBps
Data area starting sector                                          31000h
Data area end sector                                              22211Fh
Linear Density                                                0.280um/bit
Track Density                                               0.615um/track
Number of Layers                                                        1
                                                                         
                           Complete Media Code                           
00000220 0E 09 0B 0D 0D 08 0B 0D 0D 4D 58 4C 31 36 0D 20 .........MXL16. 
00000230 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20                 
00000240 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20                 
00000250 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00          .......
00000260 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 79 04 70 36 36 ...........y.p66

Rambaud 2004-12-18 09:16:06 UTC #5

Sen, it looks like the Mitsubishi 5x DVD-RAM does not even burn at 3x.

My LG 4120 burns 3x DVD-RAM (Panasonic) in 18.19 mins.

Kenshin 2004-12-18 11:11:55 UTC #6

Not at all. North America is much cheaper.

Kenshin 2004-12-18 11:14:55 UTC #7

18 minutes? That's very fast for a DVD-RAM.

Sen's Mitsubishi 5x DVD-RAM worked correctly for 5x DVD-RAM. Due to Defect Management verification processes, its actual writing time is like that of 2.4x DVD+RW media.

Rambaud 2004-12-18 11:22:10 UTC #8

I have just re-checked my saved CDSpeed file, and 18.19 mins is the Transfer Rate time.

My apologies. :o

I shall do a Data Disc creation.

Kenshin 2004-12-18 11:51:35 UTC #9

Actually, I am disappointed. I thought there was something unknown to me that does magic for DVD-RAM burning in GSA-4120B. :bigsmile:

KenW 2004-12-18 11:54:20 UTC #10

Hi hate to act like newbee but I have question, it may sound stupid! Ok the 4163 burns dvd-ram, and I went out and bought a fuji 2x it was about $15.00 USD at officemax. Can someone tell me what is the advantage of ram over rw, and I know it can be re-written 100,000 times vs. 1000. Im tring to understand when and why I would want to use one.

Kenshin 2004-12-18 12:03:19 UTC #11

Rapid access. DVD-RAM responds more like PD media and MO media. More suitable for frequent reading and writing accesses of various types of files.
Defect Management. Because DVD-RAM is more oriented for a little more serious data backup, DVD-RAM is more reliable than DVD+RW, DVD-RW, and CD-RW in both hardware and software specifications.

DVD+RW 8x media are a lot better for most consumer use, I think, because of the speed difference: under 8 minutes vs. about 25 minutes (for 5x DVD-RAM) and the cost difference.

KenW 2004-12-18 12:20:23 UTC #12

Kenshin

Thanks, thats kind of what I though, but you have made it clear.

Steve_C 2004-12-18 14:36:48 UTC #13

KewW,

You paid $USD15 for that Fuji2X DVD-RAM? I'm sorry man, you got ripped off at Officemax.
What a crying shame. I think I bought the same thing at London Drugs here in Vancouver
for $CAD8 , and I thought that was bad enough. They are Panasonic2X Fuji branded.
Maxell 2X also for the same price. That's all they have are 2X. I don't know where to
buy the 3X and 5X.

jaydee91 2004-12-18 14:48:04 UTC #14

@KenW

You can get Fuji 2x and Panasonic 3x discs in packs of 5 at Best Buy. Wal-Mart has Maxell 2x and Panasonic 3x. All for $4/disc

KenW 2004-12-18 16:06:40 UTC #15

I never bought any before so didnt know any better, the one at officemax was in a caddy like floppy disk, I had to break it out so I could use it, that maybe why. I will keep walmart as well as BB in mind for next time.

raygay 2004-12-18 16:21:15 UTC #16

maxell 5x dvdram

raygay 2004-12-18 16:22:32 UTC #17

5x dvdram is like 2.4x on RW media

Kenshin 2004-12-18 17:03:34 UTC #18

Break?! There are bulk media without cartridge. Cartridge-protected DVD-RAM media can be used many Matsushita DVD-RAM drives.

Kenshin 2004-12-18 17:06:55 UTC #19

Your result is a little better than mine. It took 26:54 for me. The same Maxell 5x. But it was 2.15x average.

Kenshin 2004-12-18 17:18:25 UTC #20

Disc information

http://www.storageinfo.co.kr/EzMODse/viewtopic.php?p=150334#150334

My MXL11 5x DVD-RAM media generate error message when I try "full-erase" from Nero Burning Rom. It was the same disk I tested with GSA-4120B in the summer and it had similar problems from the beginning. (It wasn't a new disk when I received.) Another Create Data Disc test after quick-erase.