Fujifilm DVD-R on LWD-411s?

hi, i just recently bought the 411s drive and a 100 pack of fujifilm DVD-R, i wanted to know if anyone has burned with these discs and what their results were. i’m paranoid and don’t want to open the pack up yet, they cost me 100 dollars US. any input is appreciated. thanks.

oh, btw, i think the discs are 2.4x max

Originally posted by mandelbrot562
[B]hi, i just recently bought the 411s drive and a 100 pack of fujifilm DVD-R, i wanted to know if anyone has burned with these discs and what their results were.

I have burned several Fujifilm DVD-R with my 401s@411s and results were great. However, they were 4x and not 2.4x.
I would never buy 100 packs of any kind of media without testing them before - above all not 2.4x rated ones.


I’ve had no luck with FujiFilm DVD-R discs on my 411s. The discs I have are ritekg03.

Drive Type = DVD DUAL
Disc Type = DVD-R (Single Layer)
Disc MID = 52 49 54 45 4B 47 (RITEKG)
Disc TID = 00 04 30 33 00 00 (…03…)
Manufacturer Maybe = RiTEK Corporation
Smart-Burn Speed Limit = 2.0X(Write)

I have tried 20 of the 25 in the pack with the - each with similar results:

None would play on my standalone Pioneer DVD.

The FujiFilm DVD+R discs have been much better.

Drive Type = DVD DUAL 
     Disc Type = DVD+R (Single Layer)
      Disc MID = 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E (RICOHJPN)
      Disc TID = 52 30 30 (R00)

Manufacturer Maybe = Ricoh Company Limited
Smart-Burn Speed Limit = 2.4X(Write)

I have not made a single coaster with these.

The scans above were both made using the same DVD (George Carlin) and same software (CloneDVD+AnyDVD). I got very similar results with the FujiDVD-R discs using ShrinkDVD.

The Fuji could be most anything, without a media ID code, it’s impossible to say. BTW, DVD-R cannot be 2.4x, they’re either 4x or 2x. If it doesn’t say 4x on the package then they must be 2x.

But if you got them for $1 each, you didn’t do too far wrong. Look at the package, where were they made?

hi, i remember going to the website, and it say’s “Reference Scanning Velocity 3.49m/sec” i’m not sure if this has anything to do with the write speed. it doesn’t say on the package what speed it is either. Basically i would just like know what media is guaranteed to work on the 411s. :confused:

Medium: FujiFilm DVD-R 4x
DVD writer: LiteOn LDW-411S (FS0F)

Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:TYG01]
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Disc Type :              [DVD-R]
Manufacturer ID :        [TYG01]
Disc Application Code :  [Unrestricted Use : Consumer Purpose]
Recording Speeds :       [1x - 2x - 4x]
Blank Disc Capacity :    [2,298,496 Sectors = 4,489.3 MB = 4.38 GB]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00  02 86 0d 13 66 78 80 00   .@....R.....fx..
0010 : 03 54 59 47 30 31 00 00  04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   .TYG01..........
0020 : 05 88 80 00 00 00 01 00  06 08 0f 11 87 78 80 00   .............x..
0030 : 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00  08 05 16 0d 0f 0b 0b 00   ................
0040 : 09 97 08 0f 0b 00 00 00  0a 00 00 00 00 00 10 00   ................
0050 : 0b 05 1b 13 a8 89 65 00  0c b6 89 88 80 00 00 00   ......e.........
0060 : 0d 00 00 d0 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
0070 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
0080 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
0090 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
** INFO : An Empty Writable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-411S [FW FS0F]
** INFO : [DVD-R:TYG01]
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 =  5540 KBPS (4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 =  2770 KBPS (2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
Descriptor #1 =  5540 KBPS (4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 =  2770 KBPS (2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

PI/PO sum: 8 ECC


Folks, please stop confusing the OP, he’s got a 100-ct spindle of Fuji which is not 4x, appears to be RiteK G03. Not the best choice for the 411S, but might function well enough at 2x burning. It’s quite variable media, so the only way to know for sure is to try some of it.
Or, return it and get Fuji 4x made in Japan.

I also picked up a 100 pack of Fuji Film but I bought the DVD+R. I think Bestbuy.com still has them for sale at $109.99 and a $15 MIR for a total cost of 94.99 excluding sales tax. Bestbuy has the DVD-R as well for the same price and both the + and - are 4x and made in Taiwan. I am going to assume these are Richoh’s. But for the price I can’t complain too much. I bought the +R since I read that so many people have had problems with -R. I figured I’d play it safe and buy the +R for now and wait for a FW upgrade from Liteon. I was going to buy a Pioneer A06 since there’s a $30 rebate so the retail version is just as cheap as the OEM. But now that Liteon has released a new FW I decided to place an order for the 811. I’ve always bought Liteons and I hope I made right choice with 811 since the A06 was very tempting at $110 with a MIR.

-mandelbrot562-

If you read in this thread, I think you get some hints of good media.

About the value “3,49m/s”, this is a (speed) standard for testing media. Says nothing about the speed it can be burnd.!
Only a clarification of DVD-R standard ECMA-338.

Next time ask the shop to specify rating, 1X, 2X, 4X, ?X.

:bigsmile:

Hey there,
Just wanted to chime in with my results on these. I bought a 25 pack of Fuji DVD-R and have had no luck at all with them.

They were: RITEKG03

Avoid avoid avoid! I am hoping the +R’s work out better

I could make ups of data no probs with the ritek g03 disks but not when trying to make a dvd back up.

Maybe it’s the good karma from all the little old ladies I helped across the street when I was a cub scout, but I bought a 50-pack of Verbatim Datalife -R that turned out to be Ritek G03.

They burn perfectly at 2X on my converted 401S. All read fine on my standalones, a Magnavox that plays anything and a Toshiba that won’t play +R and gags on some -R, and of course on my LDW411S and LTD-163.

I can’t help but scratch my head when I see the problem reports from people using the same stuff that works fine for others with the same firmware.

Hmm, I always hear Verbatim are pretty good. Strange they’d be the exact same ones?

I should have elaborated…they appear to burn ok with no errors and appear to play ok on standalones alright…except you’ll notice a tiny skip or jump here or there. The biggest problem comes from if you try to copy any of the discs I’ve made it always errors on some or all of the .vob files when trying to extract them. That is a HUGE problem for me because I need to be able to create DVD’s that can be extracted/copied because I am a music trader. If you just making them for watchable DVD’s and never need to get at the data on them ever again then these would work out great for that.

Are you able to copy any of the DVD’s you’ve made on the Ritek G03 (extract them back to you computer) without errors? I’d be interested to know, if you haven’t tried yet give it a try and let us know the results.

Thanks!

Yes, as a matter of fact, I can. I made the beginner’s mistake of using stick-on labels (CD Stomper) on a dozen or so I burned early on. They worked fine at first, but then started to pixellate and hang near the end of the film. I had to transfer them to new discs, and in every case the 411S read and copied them perfectly.

One of them was from a really poor source disc, a rental that looked like somebody had scrubbed it with steel wool. It took more than an hour to rip it the first time because DVD Decrypter kept retrying errors.

Surprisingly, the copy of the copy went without a hitch.

I’m not a fanboy, and I’d tell you if I had a problem. Knock on wood, I never have. It worked perfectly with +R before the conversion, and perfectly with -R after.

I liked mine so much I bought one for my son, and he doesn’t have any problems either.

If you got the Fuji DVD-R from the bestbuy.com offer and it did not say 4x on it, it’s probably not. I opened mine and it read as Ritek G03. I did not burn it as I’m getting the item reshipped from Bestbuy after calling customer service and told them the item were not the 4x media that was advertised and on the original receipt. Hopefully the 4x’s will be TYs or another good manf.

From previous Fuji DVD-R spindle I had purchased at BJ Whole sales that were Ritek G03, they had burned well and I could read it multiple Apex stand alone players.

The BJ bought media’s were labled as 2.4x and when I use Nero, 2.4x shows up as a option for the burn speed.

right2backup,

Are you sure the BJ’s Fuji discs were -Rs? I thought 2.4x was only for Plus R.

All the Fuji -Rs I got from BJ’s were Ritek GO3. None of them burned successfully (I tried 20 times to get a good burn with these). The Fuji Plus Rs I got from BJ’s have been perfect.

Yeah,
The idiot person at the Best Buy store promised me they were the 4x’s, exactly the same ones as in the 100 packs…so I went with the 25 pack. So my suspicion in that they were different was right. So everyone is having good success with the 4x DVD-R’s? I got a 25 pack of the DVD+R’s also, which I think I am gonna keep(haven’t opened yet)…those ones should work, right? I’ve had sucess with TDK DVD+R’s, the only media so far that has worked with this drive so I am hoping I can find some more(especially -R’s) that work too.

dewd2

The label was DVD-R. The 2.4x was on a sticker that was applied to the outer plastic. My local BJ had both the DVR-R with the stick and without. Besides the sticker, all other marking are the same. And yes, it’s dvd-r. I’ll take a pic and post the media +id if I get a chance when I get home. Can’t do it for the package, as I had discarded it already. Maybe if I go to BJ and no one stops me from taking a pic. Yes I saw the 2.4x referance to the +R before, and that is why I mentioned it as this -R media seems to go against convention.

Ok here is what I gathered

Image of the DVD-R media cake box and the media itself

Nero screen shot showing 2.4x availabe as burning speed

Here is DVD Identifier info

Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:RITEKG03]

Disc Type : [DVD-R]
Manufacturer ID : [RITEKG03]
Disc Application Code : [Unrestricted Use : Consumer Purpose]
Recording Speeds : [1x - (2x)]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2.298.496 Sectors - 4.489MB - 4,38GB]

[DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com]

0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 50 00 02 37 0e 0b fe ff 80 00 .@…P…7…
0010 : 03 52 49 54 45 4b 47 00 04 30 33 00 00 00 00 00 .RITEKG…03…
0020 : 05 88 80 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0030 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …

Here is Kpro readings

Nero CD Speed info

All in all this batch of media and my LDW-411S worked well together.

right2backup,

These discs appear to be indentical to mine:

Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:RITEKG03]

Disc Type : [DVD-R]
Manufacturer ID : [RITEKG03]
Disc Application Code : [Unrestricted Use : Consumer Purpose]
Recording Speeds : [1x - (2x)]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4,489.3 MB = 4.38 GB]

[DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com]

I got the 25 pack from BJ’s - I could not get any to burn correctly. The KProbe scan you did looks much better then mine (see my post earlier in this thread).

I do not understand the 2.4x, though. Nero only allows me to burn these discs at 2x.

Guess I have two questions:

How did you get yours to burn correctly. And why do you get the option to burn at 2.4x.

I think in another year I may have a handle on DVD burning. :smiley: