Fuji DVD-R 8x - Prodisc F01 sucks!

vbimport

#1

I have an NEC 3500A and even at 4X this media sucks!
I just purchased it from Best Buy knowing it is Taiwan media but hoping that the Fuji dye would be superior…it wasn’t

On the first disc I have 4 unreadable sectors and the drive struggles to read the disc during a lot of points.

I think the Maxell RICOHJPN1 from Taiwan are much better.

What has your experience been?


#2

What firmware is on your 3500? I’ve never had serious problems with Prodisc here.


#3

I’ll have to check later on but basically it is the stock firmware with riplock removed and region free.

I haven’t had issues with other media such as Ritek G03 G04 Maxell Japan media (can’t remember media code) and Maxell RICOHJPN01

This was the first disc in the spindle so maybe I’ll try another burn and see if that helps.

On another thought, this is a movie…is it at all possible it actually had bad sectors on it originally? (eg. just like some games that purposely have a bad sector at the end due to copy protection)

I’ll try burning data and see if I have different results but something is fishy with this media I think


#4

My experience with this media and my Plextor has been that it sucks. I’m hoping my BenQ 1640 (now on it’s way) can do a better job.


#5

Mine is fine, not great but within limits.

ProdiscF01 burned with:
BenQ 1620A B7U9 @12x http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=927684&postcount=1008
PX-716A 1.04 @8x http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=839749&postcount=244
NEC 3540 1.W4 @8x http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=1036335&postcount=24
LG 4163 A104 @8x http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=1000881&postcount=134
PX-712A 1.05 @8x http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=776968&postcount=60


#6

Prodisc F01 (Fuji printable)

Burned at 8x in NEC 3500:

Burned at 8x in NEC 3520:

Burned at 8x in LG 4163:


#7

I got some of these from sam’s club a month ago just to check them out, and they SUCKETHED big time, whether burning at 8x or 4x. Unfortunately the Verbatim 16x printable that sam’s carries now (replacing my fave 8x 'Verbs) suck almost as much as these prodiscs.


#8

Datawrite grey. I only burned 3/25 and this is avg. Notice it’s not even close to a full disc :smiley: … :Z Burned @8x. But hey, they are good until 2gb



#9

A lot of people have had a lot of problems with Prodisc F01 ever since they were introduced. They are on my “Nevermore” list.


#10

I’ve had great luck with the 50 pack of Fuji DVD-R 8X and NEC 3500A with 1.18 firmware:


Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:ProdiscF01]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [Prodisc Technology Inc.]
Manufacturer ID : [ProdiscF01]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Media Code’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘Media Code’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 88 0d 0c 88 88 90 00 .@…R…
0010 : 03 50 72 6f 64 69 73 00 04 63 46 30 31 00 00 00 .Prodis…cF01…
0020 : 05 b8 83 00 30 00 01 00 06 09 0f 10 88 78 90 00 …0…x…
0030 : 07 29 82 10 21 00 00 00 08 05 17 0d 0f 07 07 00 .)…!..
0040 : 09 96 06 0d 0b 78 88 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 10 00 …x…
0050 : 0b 05 1a 17 96 77 75 00 0c 7c df b9 93 11 11 00 …wu…|…
0060 : 0d 1a aa d0 00 00 00 00 0e 09 28 31 27 21 17 00 …(1’!..
0070 : 0f 50 19 29 1d 69 b5 00 10 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 .P.).i…
0080 : 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 09 32 35 2b 25 1b 00 …25+%…
0090 : 13 50 1d 2d 23 97 b5 00 14 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 .P.-#…
00a0 : 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Control Data Zone’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘CDZ’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 10h - Physical Format Information Of Control Data Zone
0000 : 25 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 12 7f 00 00 00 00 %…&…

[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]



#11

Would you mind being a bit more specific? Do you quality scan your burns? If so, would you mind posting a scan of what you consider passable? Or, do you consider them good because they ‘work’ fine? I was just curious is all. I’ve had terrible luck with Prodisc on LiteOn burners in the past, and there are quite a few people wishing they didn’t buy these as well. Thanks.


#12

I already post scans of Fuji -R burned in 3 different drives.


#13

I only have one burner, which is an NEC 3500A which does not support the quality test. I am going by the Nero DVD/CD speed test - see the result in my post. I know this is not the best way to measure the quality of the disk, but this is all I have. Backups of my DVD movies play just fine, but I don’t have HD TV or high end equipment, and my data backups to the Fuji’s “seam” to work – no problems reading them, and all of the data I was looking for is there.

Is the test that I am able to do of much value? I have a post count of 2, so you can infer my lack of knowledge from that. By the way, I’m using updated firmware – Liggy’s 1.18.


#14

One more thing, of ~40 burned, I haven’t had a toaster yet with my batch of Fuji Prodisk F01’s.


#15

For whatever reason, Prodisc is poorly supported in firmware from some drive makers. LiteOn in particular has always had trouble with it. This does not make it “bad” media. Using stock firmware, I’ve never had trouble with Prodisc in 4 different NEC drives and in my LG. There are many modded firmware versions around that try to burn the Prodisc too fast and produce poor burns, which also is not Prodisc’s fault. For NEC drives, I highly recommend using stock firmware for both Prodisc and CMC, the results are generally very good at rated speeds.

I don’t doubt there is some variability in Prodisc batches, and there may also be some OEM batch differences as well, (different media for different brands), but I haven’t seen that here. Primarily I’ve used Memorex and Fuji Prodisc and found it to be quite consistant.


#16

… noted … just was asking superfuzzy if he possibly had other drives to post quality scans with. I wanted to understand his point of view is all.

@ superfuzzy:
Well, all testing aside … “as long as it works” … that’s good enough for now. That’s great news that you haven’t gotten a single coaster out of 40 burns. :slight_smile:


#17

I am using 2.18 firmware and I dont’ believe it is modified, even so I chose to burn at 4X and these discs are supposedy rated at 8X anyway.

I’ll be posting my scandisc result in a second.

rdgrimes, I don’t doubt your results (you probably got a good batch like some people have) but based on people loving and hating this media my bet is that it is the media given my experience with inconsistent quality in ProDisc CD-R for years.

I have in the past burned lots of different media with modded firmware and never noticed a difference either way except that you had the possibility of burning discs faster than you probably should :slight_smile:

RDGrimes if you can let me know what NEC firmware you used (assuming you’ve burned these disc in NEC 3500A and not just Lite-on) I wouldn’t mind trying it to see if your theory is correct (eg. if I burn with your firmware and the results are good …at least no unreadable sectors) we’ll know it is not ProDisc but I think it is just normal inconsistent ProDisc quality.

Cheers and for now I’m sticking with the equally affordable and more reliable Maxell RICOHJPN01 :slight_smile:



#18

Always burn -R media at it’s rated speed , not slower. This will usually give you the best results. I’ve burned many batches of Prodisc -R with every stock 3500 firmware there is and never had a problem. The disc scanned above was burned with 2.18.


#19

got some of these a while back and my dvd players just spat them but ok for data.
got another batch to try last weekend and these seem to be as good as the old fujifilm 03(was it?) and ive encounted no problems on my samsung so its either luck of the draw or quality has improved?


#20

i’ll try burning them on my 1640 when it arrives, maybe the solidburn feature might help. they burn ok (but not that great) on an nec 3540

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=77177&page=3#post1089017