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#37

[QUOTE=cholla;2703436]I think it is good that this subject is being discussed by the admin & moderator staff. I hope you do come up with a good solution.

Back on topic:
What we would like & I hope I speak for some of the other members .
Are some clear rules that we can attempt to follow.

I know there are rules posted in the Living Room sticky. The problem with those are even when followed threads still get closed.

Many times just removing the offending post would be the solution. Then the members that stay within the rules could continue the reasonably civil discussion.[/QUOTE]

+1 on discussing it. I personally advocate a ‘By Subscription’ or ‘Opt In’ subforum.

There are also other applicable rules icluding the general forum rules: http://club.myce.com/f34/announcement-rules-forum-some-tips-guidelines.html and an FAQ section: http://club.myce.com/faq.php?:.

It did occur to me to edit but I felt that that would get me accused of censorship. Perhaps I should have deleted the thread. Frankly the main reason I closed it was because it really wasn’t relevant to the subforum it was in.


#38

@ olyteddy , Once again I want to make it clear I’m not trying to get the US Shutdown thread reopened. Or bring a major redescution of it to this thread.

I pleases me that this is bringing the possibility of a place for political discussion & maybe some additional clarification of the rules.
I know some join without reading the forum rules but I learned to do that from participating on other forums . I’m no longer a member of the two forums I was a mod at. One of those was an admin level mod. So I’m not inexperenced in what it takes to be a mod.

I guess some of the discussion wasn’t current news & in that light it wasn’t relevant. My perspective is anything that had cost the US is relevant. If that money hadn’t been spent by irresponsible politicians on & for countries other than the US. Then it would have been there & the shutdown wouldn’t have been necessary.
That also applies to any other frivolous spending by the US .
That is what the discssion between Kenshin was about for the most part.
Since the later posts in the thread were mostly between me & him I assumed they were the posts that closed the thread.
Maybe you had a different perspective of those posts.


#39

Yo Fellow Freaks-

[B]GIVE IT UP - THE SUBJECT IS CLOSED![/B]

This is a [B][I]privately[/I][/B] owned Forum - with qualified members [B][I]allowed [/I][/B]to post -[I] subject to the owners rules and regulations![/I]

If you don’t like that - go somewhere else and do your ranting-eh!!


#40

If MYCE becomes a blatant dictatorship then it will become a lonely place. No one is required to post here… NO ONE. I applaud the management’s willingness to discuss this topic and take our comments under consideration. Adding a forum that is mostly hidden, unless the person CHOOSES to participate, shouldn’t upset anyone here, IMO.


#41

[QUOTE=bigmike7;2703573]
[B]GIVE IT UP - THE SUBJECT IS CLOSED![/B] [/QUOTE]
Sorry Mike that is incorrect. Does this sound like the subject is closed ? It makes it seem still open for suggestions to me.

[QUOTE=DoMiN8ToR;2703393]
I think we’re all looking for a solution. The only solutions I can come up with are that we continue the discussion here and that I also discuss it with the rest of the staff. The admin team will try and write a proposal that we’ll discuss with the entire staff and with all members.

The solution is fully open and I appreciate suggestions. Please note that besides your own interests, please also think about the interests of other members and our staff…[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=bigmike7;2703573]
This is a [B][I]privately[/I][/B] owned Forum - with qualified members [B][I]allowed [/I][/B]to post -[I]subject to the owners rules and regulations! [/I][/QUOTE]
Refer again to the quote above by the owner.

[QUOTE=bigmike7;2703573]
If you don’t like that - go somewhere else and do your ranting-eh!!
[/QUOTE]

I attempted to explain why that doesn’t work in my post #2 in this thread. I think it bears repeating shortened to the point. So going elsewhere doesn’t work for me or for others as well.

[QUOTE=cholla;270318 ] While there may be political sites where this could be discussed as stated.
What a person would get at those sites are the opinions of people that are really into only politics.
When a member like myself that primaly uses this forum wants is: The opinions of people he is used to posting with here. So there are not other avenues for this .

The members here would all have to go to the same political forum & use the same user names for that to be possible . Then they would need to check that forum often enough to participate. [/QUOTE]


#42

The squeaky wheel gets the grease… :wink:

…hopefully it’ll get the grease before the whole wheel assembly locks up. :eek:


#43

[QUOTE=bigmike7;2703573]Yo Fellow Freaks-

[B]GIVE IT UP - THE SUBJECT IS CLOSED![/B]

This is a [B][I]privately[/I][/B] owned Forum - with qualified members [B][I]allowed [/I][/B]to post -[I] subject to the owners rules and regulations![/I]

If you don’t like that - go somewhere else and do your ranting-eh!![/QUOTE]

:clap::iagree: with the vast culture differences here…politics and religion should be discussed elsewhere…


#44

I’m not entirely sure what happened, but while the title was a bit intentionally tentalizing and even provocative, the implicit messages were mostly personal.

Oct 1, 2013 was the 60th anniversary of the ROK-U.S. Mutual Defense Agreement, but then what happens in China or Korea never seems to draw much attention.

I hope this can. Not right now, but slowly and steadily in the coming years. All kinds of curved devices will flood the market.



#45

[QUOTE=Sexy_Southerner;2703650]:clap::iagree: with the vast culture differences here…politics and religion should be discussed elsewhere…[/QUOTE]
The issue here (and in politics or religion in general) often is that many people think that their way of doing things is always the best way, which often simply isn’t the case. In many cases there simply is no perfect way of doing/looking at things.

We’re currently discussing the political discussion topic in the admin forum and we could immediately see that there will be no perfect solution. We all accepted this and now we’re working on trying to find the best compromise - something that maybe should be an option to several folks who always insist on their own opinion.

I’m not sure if what we will eventually agree on, will really be the best compromise. However we’re all accepting that different people have different opinions and that whatever we decide, it will have some negative effects.


#46

[B]Everyone [/B]that has posted in this thread is a[I] MyCE Resident [/I]
you could have a section in the Resident lounge .
[B] that section is hidden.[/B]:bigsmile:


#47

I try to keep my opinion to myself, there my opinions ,not others,I don’t try to force them on other people so why argue over stuff that I know are true to me.
This has to be one of the hardest decisions the owners have had to decide on.
(a no win situation)


#48

[QUOTE=Kenshin;2703702]I’m not entirely sure what happened, but while the title was a bit intentionally tentalizing and even provocative, the implicit messages were mostly personal.

Oct 1, 2013 was the 60th anniversary of the ROK-U.S. Mutual Defense Agreement, but then what happens in China or Korea never seems to draw much attention.

I hope this can. Not right now, but slowly and steadily in the coming years. All kinds of curved devices will flood the market.[/QUOTE]

LOL, Kenshin, you should teach us more directly. Now you see what happens when you try to make us think outside of ourselves. :bigsmile:

Not that I don’t want to search for more information, but what’s the crux of the Mutual Defense Agreement, again?


#49

[QUOTE=marloyd;2703738]I try to keep my opinion to myself, there my opinions ,not others,I don’t try to force them on other people so why argue over stuff that I know are true to me.
This has to be one of the hardest decisions the owners have had to decide on.
(a no win situation)[/QUOTE]
Hey Doug , Us Americans learned to force our opinions from the US government . After all isn’t that what insisting that countries like Iraq become a democracy is. That is just one country . The list is long.
Of course there is no real US Constitutional basis for the US using military force to change the government or leaders of another country.
That is something the citizens of a country are supposed to do for themselves.
How about the force of opinion that is now used on US citizens in the name of security by the government. The so called Patriot Act should have been declared Unconstituional by the s US Supreme Court before the ink got dry.
That’s mostly fact with some of my opinion thrown in . I don’t have any problem with sharing my opinion .
If you don’t want to share your’s that’s your right.
You also don’t have to accept my opinion.
What’s going to happen if you don’t the text is going to come out of the monitor & swallow you ? So far I haven’t heard of that happening.
Except there were a couple of movies with a plot like that.:slight_smile:


#50

Well cholla my friend your half right the government sucks big time with all the billions and I seen a whole list of countries that we paid billions to and can’t afford to keep the government open which doesn’t make a lick of scents .The other day they made a special pass for aliens to show them some of Washington and wouldn’t let
our military family to honor their spouses .I guess if you can let off steam here you won’t take it home with you.

And all these other counties still hate us.


#51

Hey Doug , I would be interested in seeing the half I got wrong. :smiley:

I like your spelling sometimes it gives me a chuckle .

I’m at home but letting off a little steam is good.

The veterans group did get to see the memorials with a little help from some Cingressmen . If that’s what you’re talking about. But it wasn’t instant . Close to instant for Congress though.

Also funds cut off for the normal return home & burial of military “people” killed . Can’t just post “men” anymore.
Of course I don’t beleive they should be there but I intend no disrespect to them . My disrespect if for those that sent them.

I read your link afterwards .
Seem Obama was more concerned with the name of the Washington Redskins. We have a local school team here named the Braves.
Sure a lot of teams to change the name . Thing is it seams the majority of Native Americans aren’t offended.


#52

Cholla I get a kick out of you to,I know Di spells better than me, I’ve never cared for school much ,just the art classes and shop.Working with my hands I love wish this PD didn’t slow me down I have to have the wife come and but small screws in an to climb ladders,glad she’s aound.
Well I know you guys are wanting a thread to vent which is cool but I don’t think it will last.I wish you guys luck in getting it might work fine.Thanks for your help over the years .


#53

I surely could use some space to advocate my leftwing beliefs – bring freedom on, please.:wink:

I am used to be outnumbered, and I’m always outgunned (since I don’t carry such things).
My main disadvantages here at CDF, are however of linguistic and cultural descent. My comments should not be interpreted as personal insults, NEVER.

My suggestion is to launch a “Cat Scratch Box”, in the vein of the already existing “Cat box”: That way our (strong) personal believes could get some relief - like a fart in the wind, with no static (board) damage.

Such a “box” would certainly not be in my favor, since I’m absolutely no good at English grammar\spelling, “head to head”, but ppl should be prepared for that in the “Cat Scratch Box”.


#54

[QUOTE=Albert;2703743]LOL, Kenshin, you should teach us more directly. Now you see what happens when you try to make us think outside of ourselves. :bigsmile:

Not that I don’t want to search for more information, but what’s the crux of the Mutual Defense Agreement, again?[/QUOTE]

I’m not sure if you are asking about its orgin, or its contents, or its history. Since this 60th year is 2013, it was signed in 1953.

North Korea invaded South Korea in late June, 1950. The US almost immediately sent about 500,000 troops, and quickly advanced north near to China-Korea border. Chinese intervention with something like one million troops in late 1950 allowed North Korea to regain most of the northern provinces. Each side suffered millions of casualties. The US (UN officially), China, and North Korea signed on Armistice Agreement in July, 1953. South Korea was excluded and it wasn’t peace treaty. The US and South Korea signed on the mutual defense agreement about ten weeks later.

Since then, half of South Korea has been under North Korean control. They are more anti-American, more anti-Western than any Arabic fanatical group. After all, Arab’s the most pro-Western in all Asia. They are genetically, culturally, politically, economically, historically far more European than Asian. The other half is pro-American, pro-Japanese, pro-industrialism. The former group helped DJ and his successor to drive US troops out of South Korea, to destroy the various forms of Korean CIA. Some of you must have seen the massive YANKEE GO HOME demonstrations on the streets of Seoul. Literally all of them were planned under North Korean directives. The latter group was able to consolidate enough votes to allow one more president with the Park family name. She is the daughter of the president (1961 - 1979) who ordered Korean CIA to assassinate DJ, the late Nobel Peace Prize winner. DJ and his successor ruled South Korea from 1997 to 2007. One of the first things she’s done since her 2013 inauguration is to restore the US-ROK relationship.

In the US, Democrats are often the liberals. Left seems to mean freedom. It’s much simpler in South Korea. There are only North and South. It’s very easy for US Democrats and US liberals and European socialists to unknowingly support North, not South, no matter how much you fear North Korean concentration camps for your own souls.


#55

To elaborate,

  1. The starting post is closest to my own thread about intelligence being distributed roughly equally, geographically and genetically, not meant to provocate anyone.

  2. Guilty conscience. A famous North Korean defector died in 2010 after 13 years of residence in South Korea. He was unable to speak what he saw, what he knew, what he felt in North Korea. He came to South Korea to do those things after deciding it it would be totally impossible to assassinate (now dead) Kim Jongil, the son of Kim Ilsung and the father of Kim Jungun. South Korean regimes put even more pressure on him to shut up while North Korean regimes repeatedly tried to assassinate him.

  3. Western media. When I said NK controls half of SK, I implied NK has influence over Western media, not just some so-called liberal and socialist ones. No one writing on Korea would voluntarily choose to live in NK, but it’s fashionable to spread words first written by NK masters. I mentioned NK because I know about it rather well, and it’s the most dramatic example. Counterbalancing would require too much, I would rather give it up and forget all about the matter.

  4. I don’t like to read posts in English that are not easily understood by average readers of English literature living in Africa and South America. Official literacy rate seems to be about 98-99% among English-speaking nations. I think that’s nearly true. Literary rate for Korean-language community sites must be close to 0%, but the official statistics is close to 100%. English-speaking people take far more efforts on things like courtesy and grammar on web than Chinese-speaking people. It is difficult to compare because the two language groups rarely mix. Japanese are better than Koreans, but again the two nations rarely mix. The more important factor is the English language is bound to become the standard language. Especially since I’m not one of the admin/mod groups, I often choose not to read some posts. Most of those are what I would call arguments for the sake of arguments, or unintellgible, not because of lack of knowledge and proficiency in language, but because of lack of courtesy and respect.

  5. I don’t care who closes threads and bans people for what. The only disagreement I had with this website was about racism on the part of Europeans, or Westerners in general. Just like the issues of intelligence of life beings and freedom and liberty, such things are better presented on books, often read most by others disconnected in time and space. Discussions here cannot start because definitions of terms and knowledge of history and people are different, often with little common ground to start from. Sites like this are owned by someone and it’s only just and practical for that someone to be the dictator. I don’t think Youtube, whether before or after acquired by Google, is any more democratic than MyCE.

  6. I was not interested in the budgets and expenditure of the United States. I was not interested in whether Germany has to spend money on Greece or whether Spain has to give up some of the welfare spendings. US Republican vs US Democrat fights are far less interesting and exciting than some other things, and I often view most of them as waste of traffic. It must have been apparent from the beginning I am far, very far right-wing and that makes me 100x more Republican and more American than anyone else here. But it seemed a certain group of people, all residing in the US, have been abusing their status on this site.

  7. Excluding and discouraging political discussions cannot be solution to anything and that will make things awkward at best in this kind of forum. It can’t be done. It can’t be done well. The primary reason for blaming posts supposedly involving politics or politically-mind members may be that this has been a site without active discussions of anything other than CD. Places with hundreds of far more warrior-like posters often survive and those threads do not necessarily threaten other areas. I think people loyal to specific technology brands are far more harmful to this kind of forum than those loyal to specific parties and monarchies.

  8. I never actually intended to have argument or something with someone here or on places like Tom’s Hardware Guide or Totse.com. As I sometimes say, people fight among themselves when interests are shared, but I have few things, if at all, to share with anyone. I’m not even loyal to the human species, which should not make me an enemy to the humanity.


#56

[SIZE=“4”]This made me think of this thread [/SIZE]:bigsmile: