First +R discs not working well

[spacedkadet]

I have been burning -R discs (mainly G04’s and MCC’s) with my 411s @ FS0F with excellant results so i decided to try some +R discs so that i could booktype them to DVD-ROm for improved compatability.

I bought a spindle of 25 “DATASAFE-MEDIA” 4x +R thar read like this :

    Drive Type = DVD DUAL 
     Disc Type = DVD+R (Single Layer)
      Disc MID = 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E (RICOHJPN)
      Disc TID = 52 30 31 (R01)

Nominal Capacity = 4.38GB
Manufacturer Maybe = Ricoh Company Limited
SMART-BURN Speed Limit = 4.0X (Write)

Having viewed the media tests pages i was expecting some good results with these discs but so far 4 discs burnt (all with diferant firwares etc - details to follow) and all coasters.

So my question is this - is there a differant firmware that may burn these or should i just save tmen for future use in the hope of support in a new firmware and buy some more discs?

Ok and now my first scan, this was burnt on my 411s @ 811s with zebra mk4 mod firmware HS0P (this is the best burn i got) it was burnt with tmpgenc dvd author @ 8x speed.

[spacedkadet]

Next i burnt at a disc (still with 411@811s) this time with nero 3.3.0.3 @4x speed. Results are worse…

[spacedkadet]

Soooo i reverted my drive back to 411s with my original eeprom and loaded fs0j i ran booktype to DVD-ROM and burnt with nero @ 4x, again a bad disc…

[spacedkadet]

Then this morning i flashed back to my fav firmware FS0F and burnt @ 4x with tmpgenc dvd author, still bad disc.

Should i just give up on this media? Or try a not yet tried firmware? Thx for your reply

[kgatwork]

Looks like the same batch of marginal Ricoh media that I got, same very high PI/PO errors. Same scans with my 411s. Just picked up a real 811s and got high errors too at 8x burn, though not as high as the 411.

The big question is, does it play in drive/player? Suprisingly this high error rate disk played fine in my standalone players, no verification errors were found during burning and no errors reading with DVDInfoPro.

[Androlight]

Those scans looks suprisingly similar to mine. They play great in all the dvd players I’ve tried. Maybe it’s just Kprobe that reports way to many errors?

This is a Datasafe 4x written at 4x using FS0H:

[Ssseth]

Curious… I’ve never seen error’s like this on Ricoh media. Quite frankly I am shocked when I see it.
Anyone else buy any Ricoh media very recently that with some scans they can post?

[Androlight]

Ssseth, Can you do me a favour? If you got a Ricohjpnr01 disc burned in a liteon drive that scan fine in Kprobe, then do a dvd read speed in Nero and post the result here.

The disc I Kprobe scanned above seems to have great readability (see the attached pic). I’m suspecting that Kprobe reports a lot of errors that are not really there. If it can be read fast and consistently I doubt there is anything wrong with the disc.

Thanks in advance

[easy-going-man]

Howdy!

Has any1 tested these low-quality discs on another DVD-burner? Would be interesting to see how “the king of burning quality” NEC 2500 can handle these discs.

[easy-going-man]

BTW, I can confirm Androlight’s suspicion that there might be something wrong with KProbe.

Have a look at this horrible KProbe scan of a Ritek R04 DVD+R:

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?threadid=89027

On the other hand, I can read it back on my Toshiba SD-M 1612 with 12x max speed. The graph is completely linear - perfect result.

[tas]

Originally posted by Ssseth
Curious… I’ve never seen error’s like this on Ricoh media. …

Here’s a burn of a recently bought “Imation labeled” 25 spindle with RICOH media.

All read Tests done with the LDW-811s (HSOP)

Burner: LDW-811s - HSOP
DVD+R
Burnt at 4x
Bitsetting to DVD-ROM
Nero 6.3.0.3 -> Type: DVD-Video

Attached image of:
KProbe scan: 8ECC, read at 4x
Nero DVD-Test

Enhanced Disc Information

---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-ROM (0), Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: embossed data (Read-only)
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 25D7CF h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Media Specific:
00 01 52 49 43 4F 48 4A - 50 4E 52 30 31 02 38 23 …RICOHJPNR01.8#
54 37 09 00 3C 67 00 AC - 62 16 18 0B 0B 0A 0B 01 T7…<g…b…
19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 …

---- DVD Structure: DVD Copyright Information (01h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 6
Copyright Protection System Type: No copyright protection system (0)
Region Management Information: 0 h

---- DVD Structure: DVD Disc Manufacturing Information (04h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Data: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
…------------------------------

[easy-going-man]

Could this Imation DVD+R be played back flawlessly on a standalone player? Or have there been dropouts/skips?

[tas]

played fine in Sony DVP-S725D

regards,
tas