Feurio VS Nero

What can Feurio Pro do that Nero can not?
Also what can Nero do that Feurio can not do?:confused:

Then there’s Cool Edit and Sound Foundry.

feurio is specialised in audio…it has nice features to rip, burn and make projects.

nero does do audio…but just has basic options for it

i myself use eac or feurio for audio

Nero has more filters (crossfade, normalization based on average volumes…), a destructive audio editor and the support for new writers is faster.

Feurio is better in everything else.
It doesn’t have bugs (Nero eats the last sector of some WAVs and the CD-Text support is worse).
Quality is the difference. Feurio is made by only one person that knows how to program, and Nero is made quickly by a bunch of programmers (that know less than Jens) focused in filling the program of new features (that bring new bugs) in order to compete with Roxio…
Can you make a compilation in Nero without having to select “0-second pauses” or DAO or any other option everytime? Can you read a disc as a whole WAV in Nero? Can you tweak your reader in every aspect in Nero? Can you use LAME encoder with Nero?
Feurio is multitasking. You can extract another disc while burning. In Nero you can’t even see the songs’ titles of the project you’re burning (to write them to CD, see databases, compress MP3s for example)… you can’t do anything while burning in Nero… it doesn’t even show the actual burning speed in CAV-ZCLV drives (except for a trick that only works sometimes).

Nero can’t report C2-errors.
It’s a pain to have to open the projects you want to burn every time (if you want to open 3 projects you have to explore 3 times). In Feurio all projects appear when it’s opened.

Feurio is perfect decoding MP3s. Nero not.

Nero can’t read index marks when making a compilation.

… Quality… Just try to import a CDDB database…
well, don’t try it with Nero if you don’t have the latest computer. It will probably kill your hard disk after 6 or 12 hours thrashing around with RAM and files to create the database. Feurio makes the same job in minutes and the database will occupy 25% of Nero database’s size.

There’s a lot of details that I can’t remember now… (look at the help, for example… has Nero help?? :bigsmile: )

Thank You for such a in-depth review!:slight_smile:

Well, it shows there is no one program that does it all.

I hate to impose, but how would you then compare Feurio, to EAC and Audiograbber?:confused:

Thanks again:bow:

I forgot to say that Feurio is only for music. Feurio Pro can copy data CDs and images of simple data CDs, but now that Ahead uses a buffer RAM system (that Feurio had long time before), Feurio doesn’t have any clear advantage for that kind of copies.

EAC is a good ripper and has some advantages over Feurio. Theorically EAC can say if the extraction was perfect or not (you need a proper configuration and this is not easy some times).
With a CD in good condition the extraction should be perfect, so I only use EAC with bad CDR, because EAC is much slower than Feurio.

Feurio and Audiograbber rip in burst mode (that’s why they are faster than EAC), but Feurio can report C2 errors if your drive support it (Program Parameters -> Special Parameters -> C2-error-messages -> Report C2 errors // F1 for more help).
So, if you rip a disc with Feurio and no C2-error is showed (most cases), then you can be sure that the extraction has been perfect. If there are C2 errors you can’t be sure, because some of them are correctable (usually the CD is scratched and there are real errors).

To compare WAVs I use EAC’s “Compare WAVs” tool, and EAC also has a destructive editor more powerful than Feurio’s. Feurio’s Tracke Editor is non-destructive, so it’s faster but limited.

As a burning program, EAC only offers a generic driver that can’t compete with the level of tweaking of Feurio drivers (the best CD-Text support). Feurio supports cue-sheets if you need to burn with Feurio and rip with EAC.

Thanks once again!:bow:

Now on to editing.
What Editing programs to you prefer?

The two I have used are Sound Foundry, and CoolEdit.
I am looking to try Sonar xl, ProTools, and Cubase.

Have you had any experience with those?

Just picking you brain some more;)

Originally posted by Wiseguy
What Editing programs to you prefer?

I have used powerful editors just a few times.
I can’t help you with this, but there are a lot of experts here.

Usually I only have to cut, normalize and fade out some songs for compilations. Nothing else. For that, Feurio Track Editor is the fastest thanks to its non-destructive nature, and its integration with Feurio if you use that program to burn.

Originally posted by minix
[B]

I have used powerful editors just a few times.
I can’t help you with this, but there are a lot of experts here.

Usually I only have to cut, normalize and fade out some songs for compilations. Nothing else. For that, Feurio Track Editor is the fastest thanks to its non-destructive nature, and its integration with Feurio if you use that program to burn. [/B]

One last question, I promise.
Are there any KNOWN conflicts with other cd programs?

I have Nero, EZCD, and CloneCD installed.:confused:

with Feurio??..no

Originally posted by Wiseguy
Are there any KNOWN conflicts with other cd programs?

With Feurio?
As damiandimitri said, no.

That’s another advantage of Feurio.
It installs no driver or system library, so it can’t conflict with anything, and no need to restart system.
It occupies just 7M and it uses system ASPI (in Win9x).

You can see in Feurio CD-Writer -> Extras -> System Diagnostic the drivers that other programs like Nero, CloneCD and EZCD install.
I usually disable those drivers and the programs still work correctly. (The Nero driver is for checking the Auto Insert Notification status)

I wonder if it’s worth getting the Pro Version!

the pro version can burn data (don’t expect any fancy options for the data part) and it supports to burn to 2 burners (or more if you pay)

Well, if you haven’t used much, I’d suggest that you try the demo version before. There are some people that don’t like the way Feurio works.
The demo version is completely functional (no data and only simulation with several burners).

The Pro version only adds support for multiple burning and some data CDs, and it costs around $49 for 1 writer and $69 for 2 writers… The standard version has a better price: $29.

agree…you need some time to get used to Feurio…
take that time…it is worth it

Originally posted by damiandimitri
agree…you need some time to get used to Feurio…
take that time…it is worth it

Well… I downloaded it, and ran it!

I see it does have a learning curve;)

Thanks, you guy’s:D

your welcome

(you can burn burn m3u files with the Feurio cd writer)

A couple of things:
Disable “kill digital silence” when extracting and select “No pauses” in the Project “Settings” if you prefer it. This way you can make identical copies. (Those setings remain like that until you change them again, unlike Nero)

Select “More Details” in the windows that appear if you don’t see some options.

Also remember to enable c2-error reporting if your drive support it. (Program Parameters -> Special Parameters). What is your drive?
Some drives don’t like to report C2 errors and reading index marks at the same time.

Now just drag and drop the tracks you want from the Source (left window) to the projects you want, and press “Burn”. You can access the several projects easily, no need to open every project you need. All are there when you open Feurio.

Originally posted by minix
A couple of things:
Disable “kill digital silence” when extracting and select “No pauses” in the Project “Settings” if you prefer it. This way you can make identical copies. (Those setings remain like that until you change them again, unlike Nero)
Also remember to enable c2-error reporting if your drive support it. (Program Parameters -> Special Parameters). What is your drive?
Some drives don’t like to report C2 errors and reading index marks at the same time.

I looked for the c2 errors and it was checked already. There is another box that said to show them, that isn’t checked.
I left is unchecked. Is that right?
My drive is aLiteOn LTR-24102B, But I just pickup a Verbatim VBT401248A. All though it is not supported.
I emailed tech support and they told me how to make it work.
Do you always select Kill digital Silence and No Pause?

Thanks again Guys.
You sure know your stuff.
:bow:

When I do an ATIP check, Feurio shows the disc subtype as being

“Medium Type A, high Beta category (A+),”
“Medium Type A, low Beta category (A-),”
or
“Medium Type B, low Beta category (B-).”

What does all this mean? I’ve looking all over the net and I can only find very generic ATIP definitions.

Nothing in Feurio’s help file!

Reply from Tech Support:

It simply different types of media - it has no general meaning, the meaning
depends on the manufacturer of the cdr.

Best regards:
Jens Fangmeier (Feurio! Support)


Fangmeier Systemprogrammierung - Methfesselstr. 102 - 20255 Hamburg
E-Mail: support@feurio.com * Feurio-Homepage: http://www.feurio.com/

There support is the best I have ever seen!!!

> “Medium Type A, high Beta category (A+),”
> “Medium Type A, low Beta category (A-),”
> or
> “Medium Type B, low Beta category (B-).”
>
> What does all this mean?

Uh, didn’t you read earlier today in the media
forum a thread which explains it ?