Falcon Pro DVD-R Archival Gold

FalconMedia Pro DVD-R Archival Gold is here
http://www.encoredataproducts.com/FalconMedia-Pro-DVD-R-Archival-Gold-EP-25-Disc-Spindle-p-1681.html

It is totally new to me
anyone got some info about this media ???
Thanks :slight_smile:

Looks like another one of those not worth the price discs to me…

[QUOTE=Bob;2050417]Looks like another one of those not worth the price discs to me…[/QUOTE]

I agree :iagree:
But this is very interesting to me Falcon [B]Pro CD-R Archival Gold[/B]

http://www.discmakers.com/Shop/ItemDetails.aspx?ItemID=CD-034-00009

I like CD-R :iagree: and GOLD
try to get some this CD-R soon as I can Hmmm…

“Gold” media is mostly marketing propaganda. Without seing serious, professional testing results, I wouldn’t trust any Gold DVDR media these days (well, apart from Verbatim maybe).

  1. According to several trustable sources, the reflective layer is NOT the part that is the most prone to climatic degradation in optical media, the recording layer (dye) and the bonding agent are. So what’s the use to have a reflective layer that will last 100 years if the dye is corroded after 10 years, or if the disc falls apart.

  2. Gold has a low reflectivity, so burning and reading compatibility are an issue in many drives, ending in poor low-level performance in many cases. What’s the use of a 100 years lifespan if the disc is unreadable to start with.

  3. “Gold” is known to be used as a marketing tool to sell snake oil. For example, it’s widely used in high-end audio cables, with the funny argument that it would have better electrical conductivity, which is a blatant lie as copper and silver are much better electrical conductors than gold. :bigsmile: - This marketing lie has been so widely spread that thousands of people are convinced that Gold is the best conductor. But I disgress. :stuck_out_tongue:

OK, I’ll concede that SOME Gold media seem to be properly engineered, like the Verbatim Ultralife Archival discs. They have a “dual” reflective layer, silver is still used in combination with gold to enhance reflectivity, and the Azo dyes used by MCC are known to be very stable.

Personally, I’d rather pay a difference to have a [I]scratch resistant[/I] layer over the polycarbonate, a very stable dye and great manufacturing quality, than to have a corrosion-free reflective layer. And each time someone tries to sell me something by stamping the world “gold” on it, my baloney bells start to ring. :bigsmile:

Thanks for the lots of info Francksoy :slight_smile:

Does anybody know what are the ATIPS of FTI’s Pro CD-R, Pro Archival CD-R Gold EP and Pro Archival CD-R Full Gold? :flower:

[quote=pepst;2050602]Does anybody know what are the ATIPS of FTI’s Pro CD-R, Pro Archival CD-R Gold EP and Pro Archival CD-R Full Gold? :flower:[/quote]Might be something using an MPO ATIP… http://club.cdfreaks.com/f33/falcon-8x-dvd-r-double-layer-white-inkjet-hub-printable-240623/index2.html#post2048864

Francksoy just nailed it. :iagree:

[QUOTE=Albert;2050668]Might be something using an MPO ATIP… http://club.cdfreaks.com/f33/falcon-8x-dvd-r-double-layer-white-inkjet-hub-printable-240623/index2.html#post2048864[/QUOTE]

Yeah, most likely. I ma very curious about their quality.

Francksoy: exactly. Some retailers here in Slovakia are selling Kodak’s DVD-Rs for 3,50-4,50 $ a piece… and trying to sell them with extremely stupid and dull marketing phrases…:doh::doh:

[QUOTE=pepst;2050725]Francksoy: exactly. Some retailers here in Slovakia are selling Kodak’s DVD-Rs for 3,50-4,50 $ a piece… and trying to sell them with extremely stupid and dull marketing phrases…:doh::doh:[/QUOTE]According to [B]Dakhaas[/B] and other optical media veterans, some older Kodak Gold media was actually very good, but they were CD-R and have completely disappeared. If my memory serves me well, currently Kodak Gold is actually MAM media…? Don’t quote me on that though.

EDIT Found this link about the recent Kodak Gold, they’re MAM-A. http://club.cdfreaks.com/f33/kodak-24k-gold-preservation-dvd-195730/

[QUOTE=Francksoy;2050738]According to [B]Dakhaas[/B] and other optical media veterans, some older Kodak Gold media was actually very good, but they were CD-R and have completely disappeared. If my memory serves me well, currently Kodak Gold is actually MAM media…? Don’t quote me on that though.

EDIT Found this link about the recent Kodak Gold, they’re MAM-A. http://club.cdfreaks.com/f33/kodak-24k-gold-preservation-dvd-195730/[/QUOTE]

Newer Kodak Golds (at least those sold in Slovakia) are mostly made by MBI (but some media made by MAM-A/E had MBI MID code too) and are extremely overpriced :doh: I would buy them only for tenth or they present price.

http://www.fotoskoda.cz/eObchod/p4061861-cz-kodak-gold-professional-dvdr-47gb-16x-1ks
http://www.cdr.cz/a/hardware/media/cd/396

I got more info from here
http://www.cdrlabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=173073

[QUOTE=Burnsama;2050840]I got more info from here
http://www.cdrlabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=173073[/QUOTE]

Interesting, they are buying media from other places. Looks like the 8x gold DVD-R is actually MCC02RG20, which is great but why would you pay more than verbatim archival gold media to get the same thing? You’d only get the FTI disc if it were cheaper.

[QUOTE=cd pirate;2050908]Interesting, they are buying media from other places. Looks like the 8x gold DVD-R is actually MCC02RG20, which is great but why would you pay more than verbatim archival gold media to get the same thing? You’d only get the FTI disc if it were cheaper.[/QUOTE]

Think I Verbatim DVD-R Ultra Life Gold is much cheaper now

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/461035-REG/Verbatim_95355_DVD_R_4_7GB_8X_Gold.html

and FTI 48x CD-R White Inkjet ( [B]TDK MID [/B]) should be very good media

Anyone know about this [B]FTI 24k Gold CD-R[/B] ( MID : MPO ) ???
Thanks

[QUOTE=cd pirate;2050674]Francksoy just nailed it. :iagree:[/QUOTE]hey now…i thought i did in post #2 :bigsmile: and yes nice job Francksoy :flower:

[QUOTE=pepst;2050764]Newer Kodak Golds (at least those sold in Slovakia) are mostly made by MBI (but some media made by MAM-A/E had MBI MID code too) [/QUOTE]Confusing. Can you find MBI-like serials on it? Or do they just have an MBI code?

Hey thanks to all for the congrats about my post :flower:

[QUOTE=Francksoy;2051126]Confusing. Can you find MBI-like serials on it? Or do they just have an MBI code?

Hey thanks to all for the congrats about my post :flower:[/QUOTE]

Some new Kodaks are now made by MBI (they have MBI-like serials).
But older gold Kodaks with MBI MID were actually made by MAM-A or MAM-E.
(http://dvd-r.jpn.org/test2/qcheckform.cgi?mode=main&name=Kodak_8xGOLD)
Normal (not gold) Kodak DVDs are made by Umedisc, they have UME or AML MID.

[QUOTE=pepst;2051191]Some new Kodaks are now made by MBI (they have MBI-like serials).
But older gold Kodaks with MBI MID were actually made by MAM-A or MAM-E.
(http://dvd-r.jpn.org/test2/qcheckform.cgi?mode=main&name=Kodak_8xGOLD)
Normal (not gold) Kodak DVDs are made by Umedisc, they have UME or AML MID.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the precisions :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=Francksoy;2051126]Confusing. Can you find MBI-like serials on it? Or do they just have an MBI code?

Hey thanks to all for the congrats about my post :flower:[/QUOTE]

In short

Kodak GOLD

DVD-R
MAM, TTH02(MAM), MBIL (MAM) , MBIL (MBIL)
These days they are MBIL made by MBIL
CD-R
KODAK, MITSUI,MBIL

FTI GOLD
CD-R = MPO
DVD-R = MCC (OFFICIAL !)

EMTEC
CD-R=MPO
DVD+R/DVD-R
MPO, MBIL (These days MBIL. I can not stand longer in for the quality. THE MPO dvd+R’s were very good but overpriced. The MBIL’s I just don’t know.)

[QUOTE=dakhaas;2051427]I
EMTEC
CD-R=MPO
DVD+R/DVD-R
MPO, MBIL (These days MBIL. I can not stand longer in for the quality. THE MPO dvd+R’s were very good but overpriced. The MBIL’s I just don’t know.)[/QUOTE]

The worst thing is that gold and black carbon Emtec’s CD-Rs (and probably also DVD+Rs) made by MBI are still marked “Made In France”… :a :rolleyes: