i use a lot my DW1620 for Audio Extraction too!... it was (as strange as it may seem..) from the beginning one of the main great & strong bying point TOO for me!! : the reviews from CDRInfo and CDFreaks were raving about its audio rip qualities too, especially about two/three very important things when you are in audio extraction(!):
- great scratched cds read abilities (CONFIRMED!)
- great EAC secure speed with or without cache (CONFIRMED!)
- great audio protection rip abilities (PROBLEMS HERE :sad: )
I even posted a thread here before bying one to be sure it was true... ...and answers were positive so... and for standard things, indeed, i discovered later exactly the same things so; wonderful with/for "standard" things so on every two first points... great for that, indeed...
Here are the original reviews on those precise points.. and their "conclusions" so ;
BUT.... Here are the "problems" i noticed recently... that was INEVITABLE after a little moment that i came upon a protected audio cd too.. and i did of course.
... i "discovered" a few very annoying "things" about the "flawless" CDS200 abilities (and others too) ("according to" the raving CdrInfo/Cdfreaks quick reviews on that visibly.. on that very special point ) .... :
( 1/ KEY2AUDIO
(same exact ultra classical Shakira - 2001 - Laundry Service test album than the reviews for exemple..) : in EAC secure mode, Key2Audio is OK, but... EXTREMELY SLOW too (1.5/2X..). The Burst speed is OK as the "reviews" stated though.... but the Secure mode is crawling. Well, not that important here ; the rips are perfect, ok. not a real problem so.. but not full speed in secure mode so! (in comparison, an old toshiba1612 dvdrom is 5x quicker on the same disc though.. not a real problem for a few discs only, but weird all the same.. and not said in the "reviews"!). )
2/ CACTUS CDS 200
SAME AS KEY2AUDIO : when working, the rip is perfect but... EXTREMELY SLOW (1.5/2X) in Secure mode... here again, that is not that important if the rip is OK anyway... but here again ONLY the Burst speed is at max speed (as the reviews stated...)....
BUT MUCH MORE ANNOYING HERE TOO, now:
there are NUMEROUS versions of CDS200 (constantly evolving..)... :sad: and the reviews used only the oldest ones..... the most EASY ones visibly...
"Natalie Imbruglias White lilies Island" --> only CDS200 200.0.4/4.0build10b... (or at max "Herbert GÃ¶nemeyer: Mensch" - This disc is protected with Cactus Datashield 200.0.4 .3(build 12b) ).
And, indeed, all the CDS200 with that one (200.0.4/4.0build10b) are OK here too...
Martin L Gore - 2003 - CounterfeitÂ² OK
every other superior CDS200 are totally impossible to rip in secure mode with my BenQ1620 : TOTALLY FULL of read errors.. the rip even stop and skip track before the end of each tracks so full of error they are... The BURST mode are strangely working at full speed again though... but the Test&Copy CRC are full of errors too... :sad: :sad:
In that category, i noticed:
- CDS 184.108.40.206/5.00.160 (late 2003/ early 2004...)
Dido - 2003 - Life For Rent
Pink - 2003 - Try This
Alicia Keys - 2004 - The Diary Of Alicia Keys
- CDS 220.127.116.11/5.10.090 (late 2004...)
Joss Stone - 2004 - Mind Body & Soul
... all those disks are TOTALLY unrippable in EAC / Secure mode so... full of reads errors (and skips)... even if in burst, strangely ok at full speed (as the reviews stated..), BUT full of CRC errors.... :sad: :sad:
(an extremely ironical discovery i did too here is that my extremely old cd-writer HP9100 was able to rip, IT, the Pink and Alicia Keys albums (and almost the dido one.. one track with an unrecoverable CRC error.. must be a bad pressed disc.. common on that very badly pressed album i read anyway.. :a )!!! Extremely slowly too (1.5x) but OK!!!.... on the other hand, the old HP was totally out too for the last (2004..) CDS 18.104.22.168/5.10.090 Joss stone album.... but at least ok for the 2003/2004 CDS 22.214.171.124/5.00.160 so!!!... at the difference of the Benq so... :sad: ).
Did Other people here notice those problems with their own BenQ/philips (with recent CDS200 >2003 so... >200.0.4/4.0build10b)
I must admit i am a little (very) disappointed with that discovery : basically, that means that all the new RECENT 2004/2005 CDS200 audio protected disks are OUT of reach and totally undoable with the BenQ.... apparently. :sad: :sad:
Is that only my drive????
or others could notice that too so????
i tried everything i could think at to try to "fix" that; all firmwares, different IDE places, ide controllers, cables, different ASPI layers, etc.... nothing, always the same : standard rips perfects, standard protections perfect but very slow (in eac secure mode), and CDS200 "recent" totally screwed so... -?
I saw that the last CdFreaks reviews are testing drives with "Mensch - This disc is protected with Cactus Datashield 200.0.4 .3(build 12b)" (and CdrInfo ones always with Natalie Imbroglia!!..2002!..)... it would maybe be time to test with the CDS200 last disks like the Joss Stone one maybe.... visibly, that can make a BIG difference in the results... in fact, the ideal for the reviews would be to test visibly at least 3 CDS200 audio disks : 2002/early 2003 disks, are not the same as late 2003 and even less as 2004 CDS200 ones... i can only imagine that the 2005 CDS200 version will follow exactly the same trend.... CDS200= like safedisc in games visibly.. evolving constantly... to be more accurate/informative, the reviews should point out different test disc versions so... maybe... the CDS200 is really the worst protection out there... a total Ã¹**Ã¹Ã¹.... :sad:
(all protections checked with ClonyXXL 126.96.36.199)
On the bright side, i could on the other hand rip with it and without any problems the very last and "new" Sony protection (that is giving a lot of problems to a lot of other hardwares apparently..) : "Sony's OpenMG DRM system" (basically very last late 2004 Key2Audio.. intented to be much more annoying..) : "Duran Duran - 2004 - Astronaut" (ex). VERY SLOWLY again (1.5/2x) (as usual with protected things in secure mode visibly..), but PERFECT rip again at the end... so.. no special reclamations for that as for me... here.