DW-Q58A versus DW-D56A

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#1

Can anyone please tell me the difference between the Q58A and the D56A?
Both are listed as compatible with my Dell D-800, the Q58A works fine but the D52A refuses to verify burns made on either Imation +R or -R media using ImgBurn. When I close the tray to start verification, I get an error message saying “Media not present”.

Thanks in advance for any help

Roger


#2

Can you post the logfile?


#3

Here’s the log - I waited for 5mins after closing the tray prior to verification but ImgBurn reported drive not ready. So aborted and saved log

; //\
; ImgBurn Version 2.5.6.0 - Log
; Monday, 24 January 2011, 19:12:23
; \
//
;
;
I 18:54:10 ImgBurn Version 2.5.6.0 started!
I 18:54:11 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 3)
I 18:54:11 Total Physical Memory: 523,496 KB - Available: 168,292 KB
I 18:54:11 Initialising SPTI…
I 18:54:11 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices…
I 18:54:11 -> Drive 1 - Info: SONY DVD±RW DW-D56A PDS7 (D:) (ATA)
I 18:54:11 Found 1 DVD±RW!
I 18:56:23 Operation Started!
I 18:56:23 Building Image Tree…
W 18:56:23 Skipped Hidden File: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\My Music\Desktop.ini
I 18:56:31 Checking Directory Depth…
I 18:56:31 Calculating Totals…
I 18:56:31 Preparing Image…
I 18:56:31 Checking Path Length…
I 18:56:31 Contents: 1 File, 0 Folders
I 18:56:31 Content Type: Data
I 18:56:31 Data Type: MODE1/2048
I 18:56:31 File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 18:56:31 Volume Label: My Music
I 18:56:31 Size: 542 bytes
I 18:56:31 Sectors: 1
I 18:56:31 Image Size: 1,245,184 bytes
I 18:56:31 Image Sectors: 608
I 18:56:40 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:16
I 18:56:40 Operation Started!
I 18:56:40 Source File: -==//[BUILD IMAGE]/==-
I 18:56:40 Source File Sectors: 608 (MODE1/2048)
I 18:56:40 Source File Size: 1,245,184 bytes
I 18:56:40 Source File Volume Identifier: My Music
I 18:56:40 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 3E38970600000257
I 18:56:40 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.5.6.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!
I 18:56:40 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 18:56:40 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 18:56:40 Destination Device: [1:0:0] SONY DVD±RW DW-D56A PDS7 (D:) (ATA)
I 18:56:40 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: MBI 01RG40)
I 18:56:40 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 2x, 4x
I 18:56:40 Destination Media Sectors: 2,297,888
I 18:56:40 Write Mode: DVD
I 18:56:40 Write Type: DAO
I 18:56:40 Write Speed: MAX
I 18:56:40 Link Size: Auto
I 18:56:40 Lock Volume: Yes
I 18:56:40 Test Mode: No
I 18:56:40 OPC: No
I 18:56:40 BURN-Proof: Enabled
W 18:56:40 Write Speed Miscompare! - MODE SENSE: 5,540 KB/s (4x), GET PERFORMANCE: 2,216 KB/s (1.6x)
I 18:56:40 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 2,216 KB/s (1.6x)
I 18:56:40 Filling Buffer… (20 MB)
I 18:56:40 Writing LeadIn…
I 18:57:32 Writing Session 1 of 1… (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 607)
I 18:57:32 Writing Track 1 of 1… (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 607)
I 18:57:33 Synchronising Cache…
I 19:04:13 Exporting Graph Data…
I 19:04:13 Graph Data File: C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\SONY_DVD±RW_DW-D56A_PDS7_24-JANUARY-2011_18-56_MBI_01RG40_MAX.ibg
I 19:04:13 Export Successfully Completed!
I 19:04:13 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:07:33
I 19:04:13 Average Write Rate: N/A - Maximum Write Rate: N/A
I 19:04:13 Cycling Tray before Verify…
W 19:04:37 Waiting for device to become ready…
I 19:09:33 Abort Request Acknowledged
E 19:09:33 Device Not Ready - Reason: Logical Unit is in process of becoming ready
E 19:09:33 Operation Aborted!
I 19:12:22 Close Request Acknowledged
I 19:12:22 Closing Down…
I 19:12:22 Shutting down SPTI…
I 19:12:23 ImgBurn closed!

Kind regards
Roger


#4

Hi and Welcome!

This drive has problems with MBI made media. Check if there is a firmware update for that drive. Also use known good media (like Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden/JVC).

Michael
P.S.: Doing normal work under an Administrator account is not a good idea.


#5

Thanks for the suggestion - I will buy some different media tomorrow. Thanks also for the tip about doing normal work under administrator. Understood. However I am just trying to prepare the computer for a friend and happened to be logged on as administrator when I had the idea of contacting Myce. Glad I did!
Regards MfG
Roger


#6

I think you are also low on RAM/memory available…


#7

Thanks - I tried different media and successfully burned/verified on DVD-R. Thank you.
Yes there’s only half gig of memory at present, 2GB on order.
I will try the drive in another computer with more memory to be certain.
Presumably the lack of RAM is why it takes 7 minutes to “synchronise cache” after burning? But why only 2x speed?
Kind regards/MfG
Roger Walker


#8

Finalizing probably takes that long time because the source is not that big to fit a DVD

Image Size: 1,245,184 bytes

Maybe you could also change from SPTI to ASPI in the I/O config.
Depends on what is installed and working.
Worth a try I think.

The speed miscompare is probably of a bottleneck somewhere (maybe hdd fragmented?).

W 18:56:40 Write Speed Miscompare! - MODE SENSE: 5,540 KB/s (4x), GET PERFORMANCE: 2,216 KB/s (1.6x)
I 18:56:40 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 2,216 KB/s (1.6x)


#9

Thanks very much!
ImgBurn say that ASPI only works with Win98, ME and 2000. I am running XP pro SP3.
The hard drive does not appear to be fragmented.
I have tried with more memory [2GB] and sync cache still takes 5 minutes.
Regards
Roger


#10

[QUOTE=RW2402;2620165]
ImgBurn say that ASPI only works with Win98, ME and 2000. I am running XP pro SP3. [/QUOTE]Better stay clear of ASPI. Even on W2k it was not needed. And ImgBurn supports SPTI very well.

Michael


#11

Was worth a try.

You may try with a almost full DVD, the finalizing time should be under 30secs.


#12

I must say this is like having my own personal team of experts on-tap! I am SO impressed with this forum!

Coming back to my original question, is there anywhere I can look to compare the Q58A with the D56A please? I am bemused by why the 58A works faultlessly with almost any kind of media while the 56A is so picky.

Thanks and kind regards/MfG

Roger


#13

Unfortunately, slim drives aren’t reviewed very much.
The huge difference in performance could also be due to wear or dust. You might try if cleaning the lens (no CD cleaner disc, please!) improves things.
Other reasons could be the components of the drives which are different, and firmware support for the media you are using. Usually, newer drives have better compatibility with modern blank media.

Michael


#14

[QUOTE=RW2402;2620260]I must say this is like having my own personal team of experts on-tap! I am SO impressed with this forum!

Coming back to my original question, is there anywhere I can look to compare the Q58A with the D56A please? I am bemused by why the 58A works faultlessly with almost any kind of media while the 56A is so picky.

Thanks and kind regards/MfG

Roger[/QUOTE]

I can tell you for sure what they have in common: they are both ancient :bigsmile:

Semi-joke aside, the DW-Q58A aka PHILIPS SPD8003L1 is basically a LiteOn SOSW-833S clone.

The DW-D56A is basically a LiteON SOSW-852S clone.

From the information I gathered over time mostly from older threads here at MyCE, it appears that in fact these two models used the same hardware and can be crossflashed in between. Different OEM firmwares enable or disable various features/capabilities.

This is what I gathered over time and kept as a record in terms of these drives and their various OEM firmwares, most from posts from C0deKing I think:

The big LITE-ON SOSW-852S / Sony DW-D56A thread

LiteOn SOSW-852S

• P9S2 - stock (2004/06/24) (no +R DL)
• PS01 - stock (2004/06/28)
• PSF2 - stock (2004/06/28) (no +R DL)
• PRS7 - stock (2004/07/14) (no +R DL)
• PCS3 - stock (2004/08/13)
• PSX1 - stock (2004/09/21)
• PST3 - stock (2004/10/15)
• PRS9 - stock (2004/10/19)
• 6S07 - stock (2004/10/21) (6x max.)
• P3S4 - stock (2004/11/22)
• PSX3 - stock (2004/12/30)
• PS08 - stock (2005/04/08)

Sony DW-D56A (rebadged LiteOn SOSW-852S)

• PYS1 - stock (2004/09/24)
• PDS3/PDS6/PDS7 - stock (2005/07/01) (Dell OEM)
• PFS1/PFS2/PFS3 - stock (2005/05/27) (Vaio OEM) (newer than PDS7)

Original, unmodified firmware backups from SOSW-852S and OEM drives:

SlimtypeDVDRW SOSW-852S:

PS01 - 2004/06/28 15:09 OmniPatcher Report
PRS7-1 - 2004/07/14 16:15 OmniPatcher Report No +R DL
PRS7-3 - 2004/07/14 16:15 No +R DL
PCS3 - 2004/08/13 15:15 OmniPatcher Report
PSU2 - 2004/08/26 09:42 OmniPatcher Report
PSX1 - 2004/09/21 09:27 OmniPatcher Report, MCSE Report
PST3 - 2004/10/15 18:58 OmniPatcher Report
PRS9 - 2004/10/19 13:16 OmniPatcher Report
6S07 - 2004/10/21 15:32 MCSE Report (6x max.)
PSE3 - 2004/11/02 21:09 OmniPatcher Report No +R DL
PSX3 - 2004/12/30 20:26

SONY DVD+RW DW-R56A:

QDS1 - 2004/05/13 22:45 OmniPatcher Report

Sony DVD RW DW-D56A:

PFS1 - Aug23 ,2004 OmniPatcher Report
PYS1 - Sep24 ,2004
PFS2 - Jan05 ,2005
PFS3 - May27 ,2005 (the newest–even newer than PDS6/PDS7)

SONY DVD±RW DW-D56A:

PDS3 - 2004/07/30 08:00 OmniPatcher Report
PDS6 - 2005/06/08
PDS7 - 2005/07/01 - (same as PDS6, except with a bugfix)

PYS2 - stock (2005/06/16) (Official Sony) - NEWEST/LATEST!!!

Sony DW-D56A = LITEON SOSW-833S = SOSW-852S
Sony DW-Q60A = DW-Q58A = LITEON SLM-831S

Which firmware does your D56A have? Maybe it is significantly older than the one on your Q58A?

I’ve got firmware dumps of virtually all of these firmwares if not all, so if you need a particular one let me know :wink:


#15

The D56A firmware is latest shown at FHQ: PDS7 dated 07DEC2005.

The Q58A firmware is a year younger: USD2 dated 08SEP2006. FHQ shows two later updates: UFS4-2 and UFY2-2 but neither work. Wrong drive apparently.

I am happy with the way Q58A works - it’s the D56A that are horribly media specific.
Regards
and many thanks!

Roger

[QUOTE=cvs;2620403]I can tell you for sure what they have in common: they are both ancient :bigsmile:

Semi-joke aside, the DW-Q58A aka PHILIPS SPD8003L1 is basically a LiteOn SOSW-833S clone.

The DW-D56A is basically a LiteON SOSW-852S clone.

From the information I gathered over time mostly from older threads here at MyCE, it appears that in fact these two models used the same hardware and can be crossflashed in between. Different OEM firmwares enable or disable various features/capabilities.

This is what I gathered over time and kept as a record in terms of these drives and their various OEM firmwares, most from posts from C0deKing I think:

Which firmware does your D56A have? Maybe it is significantly older than the one on your Q58A?

I’ve got firmware dumps of virtually all of these firmwares if not all, so if you need a particular one let me know ;)[/QUOTE]


#16

[QUOTE=RW2402;2620466]The D56A firmware is latest shown at FHQ: PDS7 dated 07DEC2005.

The Q58A firmware is a year younger: USD2 dated 08SEP2006. FHQ shows two later updates: UFS4-2 and UFY2-2 but neither work. Wrong drive apparently.

I am happy with the way Q58A works - it’s the D56A that are horribly media specific.
Regards
and many thanks!

Roger[/QUOTE]

OK, it seems that your Q58A has a firmware I haven’t seen before…

First of all, could you please use the Flash Utility (http://codeguys.rpc1.org/utilities.html) to dump the firmware from your drive and post a copy in here? You can upload the file to one of the free hosts (I suggest mediafire.com) and then post the link.

Secondly, what you’ve tried won’t work, because those firmwares are for different OEM flavours of the drive and the official flasher won’t allow the crossflash (they are OEM locked). You’ll need either an unlocked flasher, or an unscrambled firmware to crossflash the drive between various OEM firmwares, or between models based on the same hardware, and that unscrambled firmware (typically a *.bin dump file) can be flashed to your drive using C0deKing’s Flash Utility.

Thirdly, I have put together an up to date summary of the known Q58A firmwares:

DW-Q58A Firmwares
========================================
SONY    DVD+-RW DW-Q58A  UDS1 2005/05/30 (Dell OEM, no DVD-R DL support)
SONY    DVD+-RW DW-Q58A  UDS2 2006/03/19
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SONY    DVD RW DW-Q58A   UFS4 Sep29 ,2006 (UFS4-2)
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SONY    DVD RW DW-Q58A   UFY2 Oct02 ,2006 (UFY2-2, NEWEST firmware)
----------------------------------------
SONY    DVD RW DW-Q58A   UYS3 Aug12 ,2005 
SONY    DVD RW DW-Q58A   UYS4 Apr24 ,2006
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PHILIPS SPD8003L1        U5P1 2005/11/01
----------------------------------------
Slimtype DVDRW SOSW-833S VRS3 2005/05/13 (VRS3-2)
Slimtype DVDRW SOSW-833S VS04 2005/06/17
----------------------------------------

The newest firmware is the UFY-2 one.

Now, in terms of the D56A, you can try flashing it to the latest firmware available for this model, which would be the PYS2 one and see if that improves things. If not, then try crossflashing it to the Q58A using the latest UFY2 firmware.

Before any crossflash, make sure you use the Flash Utility to backup your current firmware and the EEPROM Utility to backup your EEPROM (they are different things) and keep both of those safe. Please note that EEPROMs are unique to each drive, so you should never flash an EEPROM to another drive than the original one it came from. You only need that EEPROM for backup purposes. You don’t need to do anything with it. Crossflashing only entails flashing the firmware.

I have uploaded the two firmwares mentioned above here for your convenience: http://www.mediafire.com/?agt71t0v0y59uvf

You’ll also see two corresponding *.exe files in that archive. You can use those directly to flash your drive (they are unlocked to permit a crossflash) or you can use the two *.bin files in conjunction with the Flash Utility.