...the plus format supports Mount Rainier "sorti", something that minus doesn't. I think it has some kind of fudge equivalent or one wasis being developed, but why create something new when a standard already exists? Personally I know no-one with a RAM drive of any kind for PC or home recording, everyone has a + only drive with the exception of one who has a Pioneer - drive, but that's only because it was at the time the only drive you could buy. Oh yeah he had to change his Tosh DVD player a few months ago (less than a year old) because it wouldn't play DVD-Rs, top quality Tosh! And that from a company that's pro the minus format. The minus format sucks and will disappear in good time, but there again so will the plus format if they crack on with these "Blu Ray" products.