Dvd-r with no track

this is really weird.
I bought a few blank dvds (T.W.Universal), and it just won’t burn with nero. it says thats not a valid cd.
and when i explore it with Windows Explorer, Details says: Free disk space = 0 bytes, Total space = 0 bytes.
is there anyway to fix this, or my cds are trash.

thx

I bought a few blank dvds

it says thats not a valid cd
Which is it? If your trying to burn a DVD with a CD App - Could be the Problem. Whats your Drive of Choice?

e:
sry, its Dvds disks
and im using nero smart to burn

Are you selecting DVD up the top Right corner of the Smart Start Splash Screen?

yes, is there any tool that create tracks, format, or something like that for dvd-r

Windows OS’ doesn’t support recordable DVD native (except DVD-RAM).
So clicking in explorer to get any info or trying to burn them will not work.

You need an proper burning app to burn them.

im using nero to burn and its not working:

plus this i didnt understand:

OK you’ve got definate duds. Try buying a single disc of a reputable brand and see what happens.

it’s ultra wierd - haven’t seen that one before!! :stuck_out_tongue: 500GB+ dvd’s :stuck_out_tongue:

[QUOTE=muerteee]plus this i didnt understand:

Morning all!

I have a HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B (like the original poster) and have the same problem with Datasafe 8x DVD-R (aka CMC MAG AE1). I also have some Datawrite Titanium 8x DVD-R (aka CMC MAG AE1) and these have been fine.

When the (Datasafe) problem started the drive had A103 firmware so I flashed it to A105, to A104 and back to A105 and re-ran the tests but it made no difference whatever.

I have 100 of these Datasafe disks (two spindles of 50) and 75% claim to be 31.6GB in Roxio (I checked all of them with A105). Nero, Roxio, DVDInfoPro claim that the duff disks are 31.6GB (0xfd0000 sectors) but DVD Identifier thinks they’re 102.68 GB (0x2fd0000 sectors).

I asked a mate to try the disks in his writer (I don’t know what sort it is yet) and he says they’re fine. The only difference I can find between the good/bad disks is that the media code blocks reported by DVD Identifier are different, but I’ve not found out how to decode them yet.


The good disks:

Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:CMC MAG. AE1]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [CMC Magnetics Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [CMC MAG. AE1]
Blank Disc Capacity : [ 2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB ( 4.38 GiB)]

** INFO : Drive = HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B [FW A105]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-RW DVD-RAM
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:CMC MAG. AE1]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below
** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]


** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Media Code’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘Media Code’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 35 0d 0e 88 9a 80 00 .@…R…5…
0010 : 03 43 4d 43 20 4d 41 00 04 47 2e 20 41 45 31 00 .CMC MA…G. AE1.
0020 : 05 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 06 09 0d 11 87 78 90 00 …x…
0030 : 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 05 15 0d 0f 0a 09 00 …
0040 : 09 97 07 0f 0b 7c 88 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 10 00 …|…
0050 : 0b 05 1b 13 a8 89 65 00 0c b6 89 88 80 00 00 00 …e…
0060 : 0d 00 00 d0 00 00 00 00 …

[ DVD Identifier V4.2.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]


The bad disks:

Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:CMC MAG. AE1]

Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [CMC Magnetics Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [CMC MAG. AE1]
Blank Disc Capacity : [50,135,040 Sectors = 102.68 GB (95.63 GiB)]

** INFO : Drive = HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B [FW A105]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-RW DVD-RAM
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:CMC MAG. AE1]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below
** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 2770 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 2770 kBps ( 2.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Media Code’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘Media Code’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 00 00 d0 00 00 00 00 02 35 0d 0e 88 9a 80 00 …5…
0010 : 03 43 4d 43 20 4d 41 00 04 47 2e 20 41 45 31 00 .CMC MA…G. AE1.
0020 : 05 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0030 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0040 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0050 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0060 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …

[ DVD Identifier V4.2.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]

Martin

Looks as if they might have been from different machines altogether - and one of them might have been playing up? Or maybe there’s an error in the MediaCode Block and the LG can’t correct it or another burner can? It’s hard to say as I have a spindle of these discs and it looks like this:


---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:CMC MAG. AE1]
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Disc & Book Type :       [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name :      [CMC Magnetics Corp.]
Manufacturer ID :        [CMC MAG. AE1]
Blank Disc Capacity :    [2,298,496 Sectors = 4,489.3MB = 4.38GB (4.71GB)]
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
** INFO : Drive = BENQ DVD DD DW1640 [FW BSLB]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+RW DVD+R DVD+R-DL
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-RW DVD-R DVD-R-DL
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:CMC MAG. AE1]

** INFO : An Empty Writable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 11080 KBPS ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] 
Descriptor #2 =  5540 KBPS ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] 
Descriptor #3 =  3324 KBPS ( 2.40x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] - [Invalid Entry]
** WARNING : Drive May Have Returned Incorrect Descriptors

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** INFO : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Properly Supported By Some Drives
Descriptor #1 = 11080 KBPS ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] 
Descriptor #2 =  5540 KBPS ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] 
Descriptor #3 =  3324 KBPS ( 2.40x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV] - [Invalid Entry]
** WARNING : Drive May Have Returned Incorrect Descriptors
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Control Data Zone'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'CDZ'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 10h - Format Information Of Control Data Zone
0000 : 25 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00  00 26 12 7f 00 00 00 00   %........&......

** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 80 12 23 00 52 00  02 55 0d 0e 88 9a 80 00   .@..#.R..U......
0010 : 03 43 4d 43 20 4d 41 00  04 47 2e 20 41 45 31 00   .CMC MA..G. AE1.
0020 : 05 88 80 00 00 00 02 00  06 09 0d 11 87 78 90 00   .............x..
0030 : 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00  08 05 15 0d 0f 0a 09 00   ................
0040 : 09 97 07 0f 0b 7c 88 00  0a 80 00 00 00 00 10 00   .....|..........
0050 : 0b 05 1b 13 a8 89 65 00  0c b6 89 88 80 00 00 00   ......e.........
0060 : 0d 00 00 d0 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00               ............    
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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Notice mine is similar to the first one … but still has a difference!

Q: Did DVD Identifier say that the LPP read without errors?

Is this -R DL or what?
They are not supported by your drive…

No, they’re plain single sided Datasafe 8x DVD-R discs.

I can’t see how they wouldn’t be supported, because I have about 200 disks (DVD+r, DVD-R from from an earlier batch and DVD-R from this batch) that have burnt successfully and Datawrite disks with the same CMC MAG AE1 code work fine.

I get all my disks from the same supplier and the Datasafe disks that fail are inter-mixed on the same spindle with disks that work.

I tried kprobe after my earlier post and that reports the same as the other tools. In a wilder moment I wondered if it was a bug in a driver (unlikely I know, but…) but kprobe gives me the same result with STPI and ASPI.

I’m using XP SP2 ATM - when I get a bit more time I’ll knock up a Linux box and see what cdrtools (or similar) has to say.

Martin

I think it’s a drive and disc compatibility or bad disc stamping issue. Notice already 3 different codes for the CMCMAG.AE1 media code blocks - even mines different.

I only have one DVD-writer so the scans were done a few minutes apart using the same drive and machine. I thought I’d posted the reports unedited, but I notice that in my earlier posts the warning about the CDZ not being read didn’t make it. Here is the log from the main window - nothing about LPP read errors. All the discs that fail fail in exactly the same way, so I tend to think it’s a physical defect, but then, they work in my mate’s writer. Very odd.

A good Datawrite disc:
[14:00:34] DVD Identifier V4.2.0
[14:00:34] Initializing ASPI/SPTI Drive Interface
[14:00:34] SPTI Drive Interface Successfully Initialized
[14:00:34] 1 Supported Drive Found (Out Of 1 Available Drive)
[14:00:34] Manufacturer Database [25-SEP-05@636$87] Loaded From File : (@636$87) Entries Found
[14:00:36] This Version Of ‘DVD Identifier’ Is Up-To-Date
[14:00:36] The Manufacturer Database Is Up-To-Date
[14:00:50] Waiting For Drive To Initialize Disc…
[14:01:02] DVD-R/-RW Medium Detected. Starting Identification…
[14:01:02] ** Initiating LPP Retrieval
[14:01:06] WARNING : DVD-R Dual Layer Detection Is Not Supported By This Drive (No CDZ Read)
[14:01:06] LPP Read Completed Without Errors
[14:01:06] Disc Identification Completed Successfully
[14:01:12] DVD-R/-RW Medium Information Copied To Clipboard

And a duff Datasafe Disc
[14:03:10] DVD Identifier V4.2.0
[14:03:10] Initializing ASPI/SPTI Drive Interface
[14:03:10] SPTI Drive Interface Successfully Initialized
[14:03:10] 1 Supported Drive Found (Out Of 1 Available Drive)
[14:03:10] Manufacturer Database [25-SEP-05@636$87] Loaded From File : (@636$87) Entries Found
[14:03:10] Internet Version Check Postponed Since Last Check Happened Less Than 1 Hour Ago
[14:03:12] DVD-R/-RW Medium Detected. Starting Identification…
[14:03:12] ** Initiating LPP Retrieval
[14:03:14] WARNING : DVD-R Dual Layer Detection Is Not Supported By This Drive (No CDZ Read)
[14:03:14] LPP Read Completed Without Errors
[14:03:14] Disc Identification Completed Successfully

It’s odd isn’t it? I guess it proves you can’t accept what’s written on the disc label. :frowning:

Thanks for your help. Confirmation that it’s not just me is much appreciated. :wink:

Martin