DVD+R dual layer and Sony DVD player question

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#1

I have an older Sony DVD player(DVP S-560D) that will not play my “burned” dual layer +R discs… I contacted Sony and they told me that indeed, it doesn’t… They were kinda vague when I asked if their newer ones would play them… Sony help strikes again!

Can anybody please help me out? Does Sony make a DVD player that is dual layer(burned) compatible? I want the player to be able to upscale when I purchase an HDTV later this year(LCOS)…

I’m partial to Sony ES, but if they don’t make one, I’d gladly buy another good brand… Thanks for all your help!
MLS


#2

Are you burning your +R DL discs with a DVD-ROM booktype? This should make the recordings compatible with relatively older players.


#3

I’m not familiar with a booktype… All I do is use DVD Cloner3 to do all my backups… Never had a problem until I just installed a dual layer burner… If you could shed some light on what a bookmark is, It would be greatly appreciated… Thanks!


#4

The configurable booktype is something that’s available on +R and +RW discs, and essentially fools the DVD player into thinking that it’s looking at a DVD-ROM rather than a +R or +RW disc. If you click the highlighted word in my earlier reply you will see a brief description from the Wikipedia. You should also download and install DVD Identifier to see what the booktype of your current discs is.

Your PC DVD burner is the thing that sets the booktype of a disc, so perhaps you could tell us what make and model it is. There are a number of utilities to ‘program’ the burner to set the booktype of the discs it burns, and when programmed, it will automatically do so.

If the booktype isn’t set on your +Rs, then because they’re write-once media, unfortunately you’ll have to copy them to new DL discs.


#5

I have a NEC 3550 DL DVD burner… Can you please tell me how to set the bookmark thing so it can “fool” my home DVD player?

The configurable booktype is something that’s available on +R and +RW discs, and essentially fools the DVD player into thinking that it’s looking at a DVD-ROM rather than a +R or +RW disc. If you click the highlighted word in my earlier reply you will see a brief description from the Wikipedia. You should also download and install DVD Identifier to see what the booktype of your current discs is.

Your PC DVD burner is the thing that sets the booktype of a disc, so perhaps you could tell us what make and model it is. There are a number of utilities to ‘program’ the burner to set the booktype of the discs it burns, and when programmed, it will automatically do so.

If the booktype isn’t set on your +Rs, then because they’re write-once media, unfortunately you’ll have to copy them to new DL discs.


#6

While I’m getting the information for you, can you let us know how the problem discs are already booktyped (using DVD Identifier).

Also, is your burner external (ie attached USB, FireWire), or internal to the PC?


#7

My burner is internal to the pc… Here’s all the info from DVD Identifier… Hope everything is here since it was my 1st time using that program… Thanks for all your help! I never thought it would be this difficult using DL discs

** INFO : Drive = _NEC DVD_RW ND-3550A - [FW 1.05] - [ATAPI]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-R-DL DVD-RW
** INFO : Disc = [DVD+R-DL:RITEK-D01-001]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 3324 kBps ( 2.40x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 8467 kBps ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 7056 kBps ( 5.09x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 5645 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 4234 kBps ( 3.06x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #5 = 2822 kBps ( 2.04x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #6 = 1411 kBps ( 1.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : Hex Dump Of ‘Media Code’-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding ‘Media Code’-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 11h (Method 1) - ADIP Information
0000 : e1 0f 32 10 00 03 00 00 00 fc ff ff 00 22 d7 ff …2…"…
0010 : 00 00 00 52 49 54 45 4b 00 00 00 44 30 31 01 40 …RITEK…D01.@
0020 : 25 25 37 0c 00 28 64 00 28 64 20 1f 0c 0c 14 14 %%7…(d.(d …
0030 : 02 01 01 20 00 20 1f 0c 0c 14 14 02 00 00 00 00 … . …
0040 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0050 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0060 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0070 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0080 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
0090 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 …
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00


#8

OK - that looks like some of the information we need, but looking at the DVD Identifier window, in the panel above the text you quoted there should be some more information under the “DVD+R/+RW” tab (highlighted in red).

In this example it is one of my DVD+Rs which has been booktyped to DVD-ROM.



#9

I’ll get that info for you when I get off work… Thanks again for all the help
MLS


#10

Here’s the info you wanted…
Unique Disc Identifier [DVD+R-DL: Ritek-D01-001]
Disc and Book Type: [DVD+R DL] - [Not Available]


#11

Ive got a sony dvp-ns29, my dual layer’s play fine.


#12

OK - it would seem that the discs aren’t booktyped to DVD-ROM.

There’s two possibilities why the discs won’t play, either because they’re not burned as DVD-ROM, or because your player won’t accept Ritek discs anyway (whether or not they’re DVD-ROM booktyped).

You can test the former possibility by using a utility called CD-Speed (here), which has a function under the ‘Extras’ menu option of setting the DVD rewriter to booktype all +R DL discs to DVD-ROM. Perhaps you could download this program (it doesn’t actually need installing but is just run from the ‘.exe’ file) and let us know what the original burner setting for +R DL discs is. You can reset it to DVD-ROM through the selection buttons. Then you’ll have to copy one of your discs, with the reburning being done after you’ve made this change.


#13

But this is a different player. It would be more helpful if you mentioned what the booktyping of your discs is, and their MID.


#14

Sorry that’s it’s taken a few days to get back but I’ve been golfing all weekend… I went to the CD-Speed site and noticed it’s a Nero site… I don’t use Nero to make backups(use DVD-Cloner 3)… Will that program “work” for the s/w I use? Please get back to me when you are able… Thanks for the help
MLS


#15

Hey Patron, you can download the booktype firmware for you nec from liggy and dee here
http://liggydee.cdfreaks.com/page.php/3550/
download the one that says Liggys 3550 bitsetting firmware 1.06 (original or rpc doesnt matter) and follow the instructions.

This will make all your dvd+r, +rw, and dvd+r dual layer disks bitset to dvd-rom. follow the above link and download and run the program it will update your dvd writer to bitsetting. And it will not matter what software you use every dvd+ will be bitset

Then try to write another dual layer again, should work even if you have a older sony (and yes the newer sony players are all dvd+R dual layer compatable without having to booktype, they will say it on the box).

P.S. I have the new Sony http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony-DVD-Player-DVP-NS75H-/sem/rpsm/oid/146242/catOid/-12873/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
It upconverts to HDTV 720p and 1080i and has excellent picutre and sound and will play back any burned disk i throw at it flawlessly. When you buy your hdtv later you can get a HDMI cable and hook it up to your new tv to get near hd quality from your dvds. :smiley: For now you can use the svhs out or the component out.


#16

Thanks Jamos… I had a very hard time trying to get on that site… Very slow and unresponsive… Will try again tomorrow… Thanks for your help and hope it works!
MLS


#17

They were doing a server move should be up now.


#18

I downloaded the 3550 bitsetting firmware and unzipped the file… One thing I noticed was there was no mention to “run” the program… All that’s in the folder is the following:
106bt_orig bin file… 1.87MB
106bt_orig bin… the zipped file
Shortcut to their website
Read me text file

Is that what is supposed to happen? I’m thinking no… Is there a way to “check” to see if the firmware got loaded? Thanks for your help
MLS


#19

Thanks Jamos - but this more complicated procedure is what I had in mind as a second stage scenario ;).

The stock firmware of this NEC drive should be capable of having its bitsetting for +R DL changed without a firmware flash. You are correct that for bitsetting to be enabled for +R/+RW, the the firmware would need to be changed.

Apologies too - been on holiday…

Yes, CD-Speed will work on its own. You don’t even have to install it: it’ll run straight from the .exe file.


#20

Thanks guys! I installed cd speed2000 and “set” the bitsetting to DVD-Rom… This is correct, right?

Will let you know how if it works when I borrow my neighbors Eagles disc again… Might be a day or two… Thanks again for all your help!
MLS