Thx for the link, i read the information you had posted and tried just that, defragged the drive (even turned off av), selected the slowest speed possible which in this case was 2x and burned it without any issues.
First tried it in my pc dvd player, and not a problem, tried it in my sony desktop dvd player and the menu wouldn't work, tried two other standalone units and the same thing happed, shows the menu but i can't select anything.
On the pc, you see the menu, and you see the highlight and you can move around to select the different esp or options.
And same as before, i'm using the Verbatim DVD+R DL because I've had the best results with them.
I've tried burning using a standard DVD writer (liteon) and also with a newer model (liteon with lightscribe) and both do the same, works on pc (either one) and doesn't work on a standalone.
Thx for the welcome