DeTOX users: how do I process a "flipper" DVD?

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#1

I have a “flipper”, an older DVD that has the first half of the movie on Side A and the second half on Side B. I am trying to figure out how to process this DVD so that all the contents on both sides can be burned onto a single DVD-R.

I can rip both sides into their own VIDEO_TS folders using DVD Backup, but DVD2oneX doesn’t seem to have the ability to accept input from two folders.

I can process each side’s DVD Backup rip using DVD2oneX, sizing each output to half the capacity of a DVD-R, but have yet to figure out how to combine these two folders into one that can be burned via Toast.

There are several methods described on the PC side that can process the Side A rip and the Side B rip into a single rip that can be processed by DVD2one, but I can’t seem to find anything like this for the Mac.

Any Mac-users out there that can offer advice regarding a utility or work-flow method for the Mac that can perform this task?


#2

You can’t do this with DVD2One, so just burn each side to a separate DVD-R, and switch disks halfway through, like the original, or get some double sided media, and do the same flipping thing.


#3

Ladd, unfortunately you’ll need to join the two parts together using third-party software.

In the WinTel world, most of us use VobEdit to join clips. Since you’re on a Mac, you’ll want to search for Vob editing tools that supports that. If you can’t find one, you’re outta luck, unless you can find a friend with a WinTel box and network the two using VobEdit (free) on the PC to join the clips and DVD2OneX on your box to compress the size.

Fortunately, there are only a few DVD’s floating around that are flippers - I can think of 2 of the top of my head - Stargate and Goodfellas. Many older porn movies are also on flippers.

The new stuff are almost always on a single side, dual-layered disc. Good luck!


#4

Originally posted by phuocle
Ladd, unfortunately you’ll need to join the two parts together using third-party software
That’s pretty much what I figured. I’ve done a bit of searching and can’t say I’ve found anything yet short of full authoring packages. I was hoping that someone with more experience than I could point out a nice little utility, but it might not exist yet.

Fortunately, there are only a few DVD’s floating around that are flippers - I can think of 2 of the top of my head - Stargate and Goodfellas
I’m working with a cherished copy of Amadeus, so there’s another for the list! :slight_smile:

Thanks for the reply!.


#5

Originally posted by WiseWeasel
You can’t do this with DVD2One, so just burn each side to a separate DVD-R, and switch disks halfway through, like the original, or get some double sided media, and do the same flipping thing.
Yup, I was pretty sure that DVD2oneX didn’t have the ability to do that (yet?), but was hoping that there was a utility in the Mac world that could.

The search continues! :slight_smile:


#6

Hi Ladd – Yes this can be done.

You’ll see my reply to your question on the DVDRHELP Mac forum, and I’ll post the same info here.

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HOW TO COMBINE MORE THAN ONE MOVIE ON A DVD (MAC OSX)

  1. Rip each title using DVD2ONEX as “Movie Only,” using a custom size. If you want to put three episodes of something on one disk, and they are roughly the same size, divide the target disk size (4472) by 3 = 1490. Set your custom size to 1490 MB.

If you’re combining a double-sided flipper disk, or two movies of unequal size, figure out the proportions and set the custom files size accordingly.

Rip into separate folders. Choose soundtracks that are .ac3 (not DTS), as I’m not sure the other OSX tools you’ll use can handle DTS.

  1. Use Extractor 0.95 (http://denisx.dyndns.org/extractor/) to extract the elementary streams (.m2v and .ac3) from each of the VOB file sets you created in DVD2ONEX.

In some instances, you can queue up all the VOBs in Extractor and rip them as one single m2v/ac3 pair. Some titles are authored to have a short kicker script as the last chapter. If you view a title from you source disk in OSeX you can check the length of the chapters – if the last one is 15 frames or so (very short) it’s a script. This can sometimes prevent DVDSP from handling the file correctly, and will mess up your file if you rip to one big file using Extractor. Experiment.

So, with the m2v and ac3 ripped from each of your episodes/flipper sides, you can now assemble a disk using DVDSP or Sizzle.

Good luck!


#7

Originally posted by schmeg
[B]Hi Ladd – Yes this can be done.

  1. Use Extractor 0.95

  2. you can now assemble a disk using DVDSP or Sizzle.[/B]
    Ouch! I feel like such a noob! I’ve never heard of any of the above three utilities! :slight_smile:
    Extracter downloaded and checking out MacUpdate for DVDSP and Sizzle.


#8

DVDSP = DVD Studio Pro from Apple:


version 2 available in August for $500

Sizzle is share/freeware from Henry Mason:
http://thegoods.ath.cx/~hmason/sizzle/


#9

Sounds like a complicated process to get this done on the Mac… maybe some nice soul can port VobEdit to the Mac? That would be nice wouldn’t it?


#10

Originally posted by schmeg
[B]DVDSP = DVD Studio Pro from Apple:
http://www.apple.com/dvdstudiopro/newversion/
version 2 available in August for $500

Sizzle is share/freeware from Henry Mason:
http://thegoods.ath.cx/~hmason/sizzle/ [/B]
DVD Studio Pro may be a great application, but it’s a bit out of my league as a solution for not having to get up off the couch and turn over a DVD in the middle of the movie! :slight_smile:

I’ll check out Sizzle, and see if it makes any sense; I suspect it’s a tool for folks who are interesting in the nuts and bolts of DVD-authoring …

Thanks for the advice and leads.
Ladd


#11

Sizzle is more a tool for authoring a DVD that is simply video from stream sources (mpg, ac3, wav…). Its very simple to use and often does not check for proper resolutions (720 x 480… etc) like DVDSP does. It’s kind of a mixed blessing if you ask me but its simple to use and you don’t need to specify a startup action and all that like in DVDSP.

A@ron


#12

With help from folks on the DVDR Help board, I have been able process the two-sided DVD to a single DVR. It’s only the movie – none of the menus, extras, alternate soundtracks, etc., but it’s a start.

You may recall that I’ve been working on backing up the disc “Amadeus” which is a flipper: Side A is 2/3 of the movie and Side B is the last 1/3.

I ripped both sides of the disk into their respective Side A and Side B folders using DVD Backup (6.72GB total).

I processed both of those outputs using DVD2oneX with “Movie Only” settings that created A+B output sizes totaling 4472MB (A=2981MB, B=1491MB).

I pulled out the m2v/ac3 streams using Extractor, with the “create one file” box checked (output = 4.04GB).

I processed that ouput with Sizzle and ended up with a disk image containing a 4.14GB VIDEO_TS folder which plays fine in the Apple DVD Player. I have yet to burn this to disc via Toast, but don’t anticipate any problems.

Thanks for Galactica for his help; it was a challenge and I couldn’t have done it without his guidance.

Question:

Is there any way to modify this procedure so that I can end up with a “whole disk” version where everything on Side A and SideB ends up on one DVD-R disc? Menus, music-only track, etc. and etc.?


#13

no . . .

Or if you want the long answer, you could get DVDSP and author your own menus etc., but you will lose subs. I’m surprised you found it worth your while just to get the movie only on a single side of a DVD-R, but you can’t possibly have both sides of a flipper DVD on a single side of a DVD-R with original menus and all since you can’t have two sets of menus on a single DVD. The best solution is to keep the sides separate, keep original menus, tracks and quality, and flip the DVD half way. If you want to get one of those Sony 400 DVD jukeboxes, those will automatically flip the disk for you from the remote control, if you’re really that lazy, and this is so important to you.


#14

Originally posted by WiseWeasel
[B]I’m surprised you found it worth your while just to get the movie only on a single side of a DVD-R
Academic enjoyment born out of lack of knowledge of how this all works. Surely you have attempted projects in the past that had no real worth other than the doing. :slight_smile:


#15

“Academic enjoyment born out of lack of knowledge of how this all works. Surely you have attempted projects in the past that had no real worth other than the doing.”

Sure–for ‘giggles’, I once tried actually producing something on a Mac…<g>
Seriously, would it not be more efficient to just buy a cheap WinDoze machine on which one can actually do this stuff with numerous and often free utilities, then transfer the completed project over to a Mac for burning/viewing (to get that satisfying Apple experience!)? Seems like that would beat shelling out 5-bills for StudioPro…

As an aside, of the 11,000 or so releases on dvd, I’ve read that ‘flippers’ number only about 55–but they are problematic.


#16

Originally posted by loggy
would it not be more efficient to just buy a cheap WinDoze machine on which one can actually do this stuff with numerous and often free utilities, then transfer the completed project over to a Mac for burning/viewing (to get that satisfying Apple experience!)? Seems like that would beat shelling out 5-bills for StudioPro…

You mean people actually pay $500 to use DVDSP? I thought everyone just got their copy from (insert favorite p2p app here). You can use those free Win tools in Virtual PC if you don’t happen to have a Windows box handy…Some of us just prefer to do our computing on a Mac, and only need the occasional tool for Windows, for which VPC serves nicely. Again, (insert p2p service of choice here) serves this need nicely, to avoid paying the Redmond Tax.


#17

Originally posted by loggy
Seriously, would it not be more efficient to just buy a cheap WinDoze machine on which one can actually do this stuff with numerous and often free utilities, then transfer the completed project over to a Mac for burning/viewing (to get that satisfying Apple experience!)?
No, that wouldn’t be more efficient.

More efficient would be purchasing a second copy of the DVD and putting Side B in the second DVD player in the home theater. Doesn’t everyone have two DVD players? :slight_smile:

I’m just playing with this project, trying to learn something new. I know more about how to do this now than I did two weeks ago.

As with many long-time Mac users, I am used to the fact that sometimes you might have to search for software that is highly-specialized. Or run the PC version in Virtual PC (which usually works fabulously). Or wait until a PC version is written for the Mac OS (like DVD2oneX). Or do without.

Certainly if I needed a specific task done and the only solution wasn’t available on the Mac AND the PC version didn’t run well in Virtual PC AND it was important to put food on my family’s table, then yes, I would purchase a PC.

Processing a single “flipper” DVD so I don’t have to get off the couch when watching it doesn’t qualify. :slight_smile:

Thanks for the suggestion though!