Current good scanning drives?

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#1

Right now, UK major retail / online and new, what drives are out there that are good scanning drives, preferably the most detailed mode in Nero Discspeed.

Or to get that, do I have to dig out an older Liteon model?

PS. Current main drive: Samsung SH-S223L (have registry tweaked, but scan results unconvincing)
Also have a Liteon 1213 that I can pull from a previous system - an adequate PI/PIF scanner, but no tricks like jitter or TA.
And a Pioneer 109 (and I think, a 108 as well).
And a combo - Sony CRX320E

Out of interest, would any of those beat the Samsung for writing


#2

Ideal available drive for scanning DVD media: any new LiteOn 24x DVDRW drive. (No problem there).

Ideal available drive for scanning BD: none (Samsung slim BDRE drives can scan but doesn’t report jitter; would have to find a LiteOn iHBS112/212/312/clone to get jitter on BD & DVD scans)

Ideal drive available for scanning CD: none. (Nothing made recently supports jitter scanning for CD. The no-longer-produced Optiarc DVDRW drives could give decent results, but didn’t support jitter on anything. The old genuine BenQ and Plextor drives really offered the best set of options in that regard. MediaTek drives still aren’t reliable CD scanners).


#3

[QUOTE=Albert;2750685]Ideal available drive for scanning DVD media: any new LiteOn 24x DVDRW drive. (No problem there).
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Worth mentioning that the Lite-On ‘W’ drive is NEC-based, so scans like an Optiarc (which is essentially what it is - an unreleased Optiarc design). So no jitter reporting, but better for scanning CDs (C1=E11+E21+E31) and a choice of 1ECC or 8ECC DVD scanning.

The ‘E’ & ‘F’ drives are still Mediatek-based, so scan as one expects from a Lite-On. Although as with all ‘A3’-type Lite-Ons, CD-DVD Speed will not report jitter unless you use the SE3 version.

Your Samsung is Mediatek-based so, apart from not reporting jitter, it should produce similar results to a Lite-On DVD writer.

[QUOTE=Albert;2750685]
Ideal available drive for scanning BD: none (Samsung slim BDRE drives can scan but doesn’t report jitter; would have to find a LiteOn iHBS112/212/312/clone to get jitter on BD & DVD scans)
[/QUOTE]
I don’t trust the Lite-On BD writers for scanning DVDs. Both of mine seem to be dropping a lot of samples. They consistently report about half the number of PIE as my Mediatek-based DVD writers and the average scanning interval is about 2 ECC.

There are some Lite-On iHBS drives (and & Teac clones) still available new in the UK. A couple of specialist online shops have them, but mainly Amazon Marketplace (and occasionally Ebay).

[QUOTE=Albert;2750685]
Ideal drive available for scanning CD: none. (Nothing made recently supports jitter scanning for CD. The no-longer-produced Optiarc DVDRW drives could give decent results, but didn’t support jitter on anything. The old genuine BenQ and Plextor drives really offered the best set of options in that regard. MediaTek drives still aren’t reliable CD scanners).[/QUOTE]
If you are serious about CD scanning, get a Nexperia-based Benq clone from Ebay, preferably a DW1640 (DW1650 just as good but no firmware which doesn’t pause during scanning, not too sure about the DW1620). There are [I]always[/I] some used ones around, mostly Philips clones starting from under £5 inc. P&P (and even at that price most don’t sell). These report jitter and, using the advanced scan in CD-DVD Speed/DiscSpeed, all types of error separately (E11, E21, E31, E12, E22 & E32).

Of the modern drives, Optiarc drives (from the AD-7200 onwards, not AD-7220 = rebadged Mediatek Lite-On) are the best option. In terms of what types of error they can report, they are comparable to the old Lite-On CD writers (C1=E11+E21+E31, C2=E32). Unlike the old NEC drives (and many of the Lite-On CD-RWs) they seem to be consistent scanners.

Mediatek-based DVD & BD writers (Lite-On, Samsung) report fewer error types when scanning CDs - only level 1 & 2 failures (C1=E31, C2=E32). But they are useful if you understand what they are reporting. It is very useful to be able to see level 1 failures (E31) reported separately - continuous errors are a sign of a very bad disc or writer.

In summary, the best [I]current[/I] drive for scanning CDs & DVDs would be [I]two[/I] Lite-On drives - a Mediatek-based one (E or F) and a ‘W’ drive (which I count as an Optiarc in all but name). The former for scanning DVDs (with the latter useful for a second opinion, when set to 1ECC mode) and both in combination for scanning CDs.


#4

Some decent choices then - not found the need to go Blu-ray yet - probably never will as I don’t buy/rent many films.


#5

[QUOTE=Ibex;2750689]

If you are serious about CD scanning, get a Nexperia-based Benq clone from Ebay, [B]preferably a DW1640[/B]

[/QUOTE]

Thats my Favorite,

with the Firmware BSLB.
Ideal For Jitter Tests.
In Germany on ebay.
Or Germany ebay classifieds for about 10 to 20 €.:wink:


#6

For you a CD:



#7

[QUOTE=Ibex;2750689]
If you are serious about CD scanning, get a Nexperia-based Benq clone from Ebay, preferably a DW1640 (DW1650 just as good but no firmware which doesn’t pause during scanning, not too sure about the DW1620). There are [I]always[/I] some used ones around, mostly Philips clones starting from under £5 inc.[/QUOTE]
I have an old DW1655 from second hand. The drive looks like a new but the scans are significant worse then that of my LiteOn. Probably the Benq is effete. How to verify that the drive is suitable for use as a disc quality scanner?
Regards,
AK


#8

[QUOTE=AlKwas;2754270]I have an old DW1655 from second hand. The drive looks like a new but the scans are significant worse then that of my LiteOn. Probably the Benq is effete. How to verify that the drive is suitable for use as a disc quality scanner?
Regards,
AK[/QUOTE] LiteOn DVD writers don’t report most of the C1 errors on CD media, so you shouldn’t try to compare a scan made on your BenQ DW1655 with a scan made on a LiteOn DVD drive. This also means that LiteOn DVD drives are not good for CD scanning.

LiteOn CD writers is a more complex issue and LiteOn Blu-ray drives I don’t know about.


#9

[QUOTE=DrageMester;2754279]LiteOn DVD writers don’t report most of the C1 errors on CD media, so you shouldn’t try to compare a scan made on your BenQ DW1655 with a scan made on a LiteOn DVD drive. This also means that LiteOn DVD drives are not good for CD scanning.[/quote]Yep.

… and LiteOn Blu-ray drives I don’t know about.
Same state as the DVDRW drives.


#10

QUOTE=DrageMester;2754279you shouldn’t try to compare a scan made on your BenQ DW1655 with a scan made on a LiteOn DVD drive.[/QUOTE]
Do you have an idea how to verify old BenQ drive?
AK


#11

[QUOTE=AlKwas;2754287]Do you have an idea how to verify old BenQ drive?
AK[/QUOTE] Compare two of them or compare one with an old Plextor drive that supports C1/C2/CU scanning or compare against a professional scanner.
None of these may actually be possible for you, so instead you could burn and scan some common CD-R media and compare against scans on these forums and also scan pressed CD media to compare.

It sounds to me like you’re attempting to calibrate a drive that was never meant to be a professional scanner, and you’re doing it because it reports results that don’t match scans by something that is a terrible scanning drive for CDs, so you may be trying to do something nearly impossible and for the wrong reason.

I may of course have misunderstood you.


#12

QUOTE=DrageMester;2754288 and also scan pressed CD media to compare.[/QUOTE]
Maybe it’s a good idea, but a “reference” pressed disc is needed (like for EAC calibration).

[QUOTE=DrageMester;2754288]
It sounds to me like you’re attempting to calibrate a drive that was never meant to be a professional scanner, and you’re doing it because it reports results that don’t match scans by something that is a terrible scanning drive for CDs, so you may be trying to do something nearly impossible and for the wrong reason.
I may of course have misunderstood you.[/QUOTE]

I do not expect professional quality of testing. Simply, the optics of the old, used drive, may doesn’t work as good as the new one and the results of scanning may be worse than they should.
AK


#13

Thanks for this thread. Am going to piggyback on it.

Recently my Lite-on “DH20A4H” has been acting really weird (I only use it for scanning). If there is no disc in it I have to press the eject button around 20-30 times before the tray will even open. Same thing even with the “eject” option in “My Computer”. Oddly works every time if there is a disc in there, so I’ve been trying to always leave a disc inside.

But in addition, every disc I burn (using other drives) gives terrible scan results in Nero Discspeed. I even bought a brand new external LG GE24NU30 thinking maybe the scans in the Lite-on were correct and the older burner (also a GE24NU30) was dying (since I bought it used in the first place and have really used it a lot). But scans of discs in the brand new burner (Verbatims MCC 004) also look terrible.

So at this point I’m thinking either I got a bad spindle of Verbatims, or more likely IMO since the Lite-on tray doesn’t open right anyways that the Lite-on I’m using for scanning is just dying.

I’ve looked around but don’t see much (if any) choices for E-IDE/atapi drives I can get to replace the Lite-on. I’m not looking to buy someone else’s used drive that also may be on its last legs. Any suggestions for new drives for scanning that IDE, full slot, and where to get them???

Thanks.


#14

This is a wealth of information for me since I am starting from scratch to build a burning and scanning setup.

Apologies for noob questions, but I’m wondering about testing m-disc DVDs. Would a Lite-On LH-20A1L be able to test jitter on an m-disc DVD? I don’t see why not, but want to ask. I see a lot of those for cheap on ebay. Or, is there a better drive y’all would recommend?

Thanks for any advice!


#15

As long as the 20A1L can read the DVD, it will be able to report jitter. That said, some drives seem to dislike M-Disc media, failing to detect it properly OR reporting very ugly scans OR struggling to read a disc, while other drives think the burn is good. This can happen with mediocre burns on normal DVDs, and the 20A1L doesn’t generally seem to have an issue detecting discs. It is still worth mentioning, just in case you think you have a bad drive or have been getting bad burns.

Should you want a drive to provide a second opinion, LiteOn’s iHAS124 E or iHAS124 F drives (which also support writing to M-Disc, if I remember correctly) will work.


#16

[EDIT: I see Albert sneaked in with an answer while I was still typing. :flower:]

Welcome to the forum Xignl.

I haven’t used M-Disc discs at all, but you can see other members’ scans here.

[B]Czary2mary’s[/B] scans in that thread with a Lite-On iHAS ‘A’ drive show jitter. Also the scans performed using old Benq Nexperia-based drives.

I can’t remember if there were problems reported scanning M-Disc discs with older Lite-On drives. The LH-20A1 can certainly report jitter with normal DVD±R, but I do not like it as a DVD scanning drive. Mine has always had issues stabilising the disc speed before scanning starts, and as a result shows elevated errors at the start of the disc. (Others have reported similar problems.)

As M-Disc scanning is important to you, I would suggest a Lite-On iHAS drive. Here in the UK they can be bought new for as little as £11-12 with free delivery, which is not much more than a used drive from Ebay would cost once postage is taken into account.

The latest iHAS is the ‘F’ version (although there may still be some ‘E’ drives in the supply chain). There is a thread about the iHAS ‘F’ here. [B]Anywhere’s[/B] M-Disc scan confirms that the ‘F’ can report jitter. It also looks like a rather good drive for writing M-Disc DVDs.

If you would like (& have room for) a second drive for DVD scanning (or a fantastic drive for CD scanning), you might like to search Ebay for a Benq DW1640/1650. They were discontinued 9 years ago, but there are plenty of used drives on Ebay here in the UK - if you know what to look for. Drives carrying the Benq name are very scarce, but re-badged drives (mostly Philips) are numerous and can be crossflashed to Benq firmware. (There is a comprehensive list of Benq re-badges in the Benq/Philips forum.)

The Benq drives are fantastic writers & scanners. Many members would still rate the DW1640 as their all-time favourite DVD writer. But due to their age you need exercise caution when buying from Ebay. Many drives are likely being sold because they are worn out and/or malfunctioning.


#17

^ Ibex’s answer encompasses everything I wanted to say but didn’t, including the mention of the old BenQ drives. :wink:


#18

Great! Thank you both for this information. I’ll be getting an Lite-On iHAS (super inexpensive) and I’ve found an unused Sony DRU-810A, which is apparently a rebranded DW1640. It’s an IDE/ATAPI drive, so I’ll get a PCI board to be able to use it since it seems like a good drive to have as a second opinion for scans.


#19

[QUOTE=Xignl;2760972]Great! Thank you both for this information. I’ll be getting an Lite-On iHAS (super inexpensive) and I’ve found an unused Sony DRU-810A, which is apparently a rebranded DW1640. It’s an IDE/ATAPI drive, so I’ll get a PCI board to be able to use it since it seems like a good drive to have as a second opinion for scans.[/QUOTE]

What… have they deleted IDE entirely on recent motherboards?

PS. I think there is a thread on here somewhere about good IDE controllers for optical drives - you DON’T want a RAID controller, and there was one particular one that was often found as RAID but could be reflashed with a non-RAID BIOS.

AHA! http://club.myce.com/f138/ide-controllers-definitive-thread-90930/


#20

What… have they deleted IDE entirely on recent motherboards?

Ha! I don’t actually know. I just know my ASUS board, about 1 year old, doesn’t have IDE support. Thanks for the board thread. I’ll be sure to get a board ‘good’ for optical drives.