Copying to DVD speed

Hi

I have a 4x dvd burner and have noticed that when writting existing data using the dvd files output option with 4x media CloneDVD takes upto 30 mins to record?

Can anyone explain this as 4x burners can write a complete dvd in around 15 mins…

Thanks

Originally posted by phantom2k3

I have a 4x dvd burner and have noticed that when writting existing data using the dvd files output option with 4x media CloneDVD takes upto 30 mins to record?

Can anyone explain this as 4x burners can write a complete dvd in around 15 mins…
It seems strange, but it’s true. And the subject has already been surfaced.

As for me, the write times are around 21-22’, which corresponds to 2,4x, not 4x.


Originally posted by phantom2k3
[B]Hi

I have a 4x dvd burner and have noticed that when writting existing data using the dvd files output option with 4x media CloneDVD takes upto 30 mins to record?

Can anyone explain this as 4x burners can write a complete dvd in around 15 mins…

Thanks [/B]

Was this 4x media on the recommended media list of your drive’s manufacturer?

For example all my Toshiba DVD-R drives will only write 1x (!) to 4x PRINCO media, because the PRINCO quality is so bad.

Do you have the latest firmware flashed? Did you write with speed setting to max.?

Originally posted by Olli

Was this 4x media on the recommended media list of your drive’s manufacturer?
In my case, yes. And here’s my recent take.

Media Information

Disc Regions are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Media code/Manufacturer ID MCC 01RG20
Format Type UDF 1.02
Application id ELBY CLONEDVD
Implementation id ELABORATE BYTES
Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy) 4/ 2/2004 12:35:11
Format Capacity 4.23GB(4.54GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Media Id Code Speed Unknown
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 1.0x 1385KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps

Verbatim/Mitsubishi Chemical Co., Ltd.
Disc labeled as “DVD-R for General ver 2.0”* and disc labeled for use at 4x speed

Sony Recommended DVD-Rs and DVD-RWs

Originally posted by BoSkin
[B]In my case, yes. And here’s my recent take.

Media Information

Disc Regions are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Media code/Manufacturer ID MCC 01RG20
Format Type UDF 1.02
Application id ELBY CLONEDVD
Implementation id ELABORATE BYTES
Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy) 4/ 2/2004 12:35:11
Format Capacity 4.23GB(4.54GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Media Id Code Speed Unknown
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 1.0x 1385KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps

Verbatim/Mitsubishi Chemical Co., Ltd.
Disc labeled as “DVD-R for General ver 2.0”* and disc labeled for use at 4x speed

Sony Recommended DVD-Rs and DVD-RWs [/B]

And here is the footnote:

  • Using the discs marked by “*”, 2x writing is available.

Originally posted by Olli

And here is the footnote:

  • Using the discs marked by “", 2x writing is available.
    Yes, but mine aren’t marked by "
    ”.
    They rather are "labeled for use at 4x speed " :

yes my dvd’s are x4 and used on a Pioneer 106D with 107 Firmware. I have used the following Media;

4X DataWrite Red v1
4X Datawrite Yellow
4X Bulkpaq Printables
4X various Princo dvd’s

Still takes up to 30mins at 4x speed.

Hope this will be fixed somehow with a later version.

I was having this same problem.
And I remember setting the burn speed to 4x because I was getting some bad disks.
Just recently I got sick of waiting 30mins and after enabling Smartburn I then set the speed back to Max.
They are now burning at about 15mins (=4x) without problem.
And I might add I am using Princos.
The other thing I did recently was roll back my IDE controllers to the Microsoft ones because I was getting glitches with my NForce2 board.
What I haven’t been able to do however is get Clone to burn straight from reader to writer, without first creating an ISO file.
It wil do it but the discs are no good.
Hope this helps.

>Yes, but mine aren’t marked by “*”.
They rather are "labeled for use at 4x speed "
<

I see… Can you try to set CloneDVD to 8x speed? Does this do the trick?

Originally posted by Olli

I see… Can you try to set CloneDVD to 8x speed? Does this do the trick?
We’ll see. The reason why I stopped using the max speed is due to armin’s advise here
Originally posted by armin

So I have another idea, instead of ‘maximum’,
please set the writing speed to the actual speed the media is labeled for.

i tried a lot of cheap 4x speed disks…most just burn at 2 speed on my dru-500a. (i don’t mind it myself, becausde they are cheap).

Platinum 4x speed burn for all the time at 4 speed. They are relative cheap overhere.

Many websides who sell media (dvd/cd) have a list of the media and which drivs they are tested on. Take time to read them…and you wil find your trusty 4x speed media.

Originally posted by damiandimitri

Platinum 4x speed burn for all the time at 4 speed.
I too have Platinum DVD+R 4x here, which I currently use most of all ( the above 4 pics ).
@damiandimitri, my burner is the same as yours.

Media Information
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID RITEK R02
Format Capacity Not Formatted
Free Blocks 405405696
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type DVD+R
Media Type DVD+R
Media Id Code Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps

The thing is that I don’t mind slower burning, 15 or 22 min - makes no difference to me.
But I don’t see why I cannot get CloneDVD to work at the media’s rated speed ?
Don’t get me wrong, here I’m talking about the recommended media.
Why does one need to set the speed to 8x or maximum rather than 4x, i.e the media is labeled for ?

> Why does one need to set the speed to 8x or maximum rather than 4x, i.e the media is labeled for ? <

You shouldn’t, but if this works, you help me narrow down a bug / solve this problem.
I really want to fix it, but I don’t have a Sony dru-500a.

Originally posted by Olli

I really want to fix it, but I don’t have a Sony dru-500a.
Just an instant thought > AFAIK, the FW, that Damian’s burner has, is [COLOR=blue]2.0g , mine - 2.0h .
Well, perhaps it can depend on the FW, but …
the curious thing is that Damian says in this thread that :[/COLOR]
i never could burn at 4 speed…i hope this changes it

Solved my problem with my Pioneer drive!

When set to record at 4x it takes upto 30mins BUT when set to max records in around 16mins…

Originally posted by phantom2k3

Solved my problem with my Pioneer drive!

When set to record at 4x it takes upto 30mins BUT when set to max records in around 16mins…

maximum (default) leaves the drive alone…

Originally posted by Olli

Please try to set the preferred speed to maximum.

Explanation: It looks like the Pioneer 106 drive doesn’t like CloneDVD’s way of setting the drive speed, I am not sure why.
May be a firmware bug, may be my inability to code, dunno…
As the problem only shows with Pioneer drives, I assume it is some firmware problem…

Anyway, leaving the setting to maximum (default) leaves the drive alone and usually does the trick (for Pioneer drives).

Originally posted by Olli

I really want to fix it, but I don’t have a Sony dru-500a.
Olli,

here’s what we got here :

Writing @4x has started as ususal, gonna add that info some later.
The 8x writing log :

I 11:56:00 Writing started
D CloneDVDVersion: 2.0.5.3
I 11:56:00 Writer: SONY DVD RW DRU-500A (rev. 2.0h)
I 11:56:00 Speed: 8x
D DVDWriterInput:
D type: Formatter
D imageFile:
D UDF::Files:
D UDF::File:
D name: VIDEO_TS.IFO
D range: 0 to 3
D UDF::File:
D name: VIDEO_TS.BUP
D range: 3 to 6
D UDF::File:
D name: VTS_01_0.IFO
D range: 6 to 41
D UDF::File:
D name: VTS_01_1.VOB
D range: 41 to 524328
D UDF::File:
D name: VTS_01_2.VOB
D range: 524328 to 1048615
D UDF::File:
D name: VTS_01_3.VOB
D range: 1048615 to 1572902
D UDF::File:
D name: VTS_01_4.VOB
D range: 1572902 to 2097189
D UDF::File:
D name: VTS_01_5.VOB
D range: 2097189 to 2288781
D UDF::File:
D name: VTS_01_0.BUP
D range: 2288781 to 2288816
D UDF::Replacements:
D UDF::Replacement:
D name: VIDEO_TS.IFO
D data.size(): 6144
D UDF::Replacement:
D name: VIDEO_TS.BUP
D data.size(): 6144
D UDF::Replacement:
D name: VTS_01_0.IFO
D data.size(): 71680
D UDF::Replacement:
D name: VTS_01_0.BUP
D data.size(): 71680
D DVDFormatterConfig:
D path: Z:/CloneDVDTemp/VIDEO_TS
D FormatterConfig:
D applicationId: ELBY CLONEDVD
D providerId:
D volumeId: —
D systemId:
D joliet: 0
D DVDWriterConfig:
D drive: 18
D speed: 800
D overwrite: 0
D bufferSize: 32
D minReserve: 16
D blocksAtOnce: 128
E 12:00:07 Writing stopped: WriteDVD 10 5

Business as usual :

Well, it seems like the unicode issue still persists :

Media Information
Disc Regions are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Media code/Manufacturer ID RITEK R02
Format Type UDF 1.02
Volume Name 1K:=>25==>5 GC4>
Application id ELBY CLONEDVD
Implementation id ELABORATE BYTES
Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy) 4/ 4/2004 12:05:00
Format Capacity 4.37GB(4.69GB)
Book Type DVD+R
Media Type DVD+R
Media Id Code Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
Data area starting sector 30000h
Data area end sector 22EECFh
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1


I 12:05:00 Writing started
D CloneDVDVersion: 2.0.5.3
I 12:05:00 Writer: SONY DVD RW DRU-500A (rev. 2.0h)
I 12:05:00 Speed: 4x
D DVDWriterInput:
D type: Formatter
D imageFile:
D UDF::Files:
D UDF::File:
D name: VIDEO_TS.IFO
D range: 0 to 3
D UDF::File:
D name: VIDEO_TS.BUP
D range: 3 to 6
D UDF::File:
D name: VTS_01_0.IFO
D range: 6 to 41
D UDF::File:
D name: VTS_01_1.VOB
D range: 41 to 524328
D UDF::File:
D name: VTS_01_2.VOB
D range: 524328 to 1048615
D UDF::File:
D name: VTS_01_3.VOB
D range: 1048615 to 1572902
D UDF::File:
D name: VTS_01_4.VOB
D range: 1572902 to 2097189
D UDF::File:
D name: VTS_01_5.VOB
D range: 2097189 to 2288781
D UDF::File:
D name: VTS_01_0.BUP
D range: 2288781 to 2288816
D UDF::Replacements:
D UDF::Replacement:
D name: VIDEO_TS.IFO
D data.size(): 6144
D UDF::Replacement:
D name: VIDEO_TS.BUP
D data.size(): 6144
D UDF::Replacement:
D name: VTS_01_0.IFO
D data.size(): 71680
D UDF::Replacement:
D name: VTS_01_0.BUP
D data.size(): 71680
D DVDFormatterConfig:
D path: Z:/CloneDVDTemp/VIDEO_TS
D FormatterConfig:
D applicationId: ELBY CLONEDVD
D providerId:
D volumeId: —
D systemId:
D joliet: 0
D DVDWriterConfig:
D drive: 18
D speed: 400
D overwrite: 0
D bufferSize: 32
D minReserve: 16
D blocksAtOnce: 128
I 12:28:36 Writing stopped: finished

the sony actually accepts the 8 speed?? weird

Originally posted by BoSkin
maximum (default) leaves the drive alone…

Exactamondo! Looks like my 451s has the same problem. At the moment it is burning just fine at Max but drops back to 2x if you select 4x.

Had something strange happen this arvo though . . . backed up Pirates to an ISO file and then burned it, no problems.
Then went to make a second copy from ISO, with next disc off the stack. It started okay, got to the stage where it said writing, drive light was bright red indicating it was burning but the green bar didn’t advance. In fact, it didn’t even register one notch and the thing thing seemed to be going nowhere.
In the end had to shut down CDVD2 and then the PC to get it to stop and eject the disc. Funny thing was though when I checked the disc it actually appeared to have gotten halfway through writing.
Is this a bug? Or just a bad disc?