Copy without ripping?

I have the new plex 8x burner and a dvd rom. Is it possible to burn copies of a dvd movie without ripping to the hard drive?

My guess would be NO for the most part, as most DVDs are dual layer (by this, I mean that there is more than 4.7GB of data on the disc) and will not fit on a standard DVD disc.

I would, actually, like to know the answer myself so I will keep up with this thread.

a blank dvd disk can hold how much?

4.7 billion bytes or 4.377 Gigabytes

hmm, well then i guess most dvd’s will need to be ripped =( . What determines the ripping speed? The dvd rom, or the software being used, or both?

Originally posted by lves2raft
What determines the ripping speed? The dvd rom, or the software being used, or both?

Both.

My average ripping speed is around 2x-4x. It usually takes abouth 30min. to rip a full backup of a DVD.

From memory, some DVD-ROMs like Toshibas are limited to a max of 8x; and I think that DVD-5 is faster than DVD-9 (not just that there’s less data but rather the single v dual layer issue). The CPU plays a big role too.

My PIII-933 is twice as slow as my 2600+, 25-30 mins compared to 14-15 mins (same Toshi 1402)

What program do you use to rip FutureProof? I am using SmartRipper…forget the version…2. something or another. I have a Barton 2500+ (see sig)…why do you think mine is taking twice as long as yours??

Thanks

This was .IFO Mode ripping PGC 1 from VTS_01 in the 2600+

I 08:35:37 Operation Started!
I 08:35:37 Source Device: [1:0:0] TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1402 1010 (T:)
I 08:35:37 Destination Folder: D:\DVD\GANGS_OF_NEW_YORK\VIDEO_TS
I 08:35:37 File Splitting: 1 GB
I 08:35:37 Fast Error Skip: No
I 08:35:37 Detect Mastering Errors: No
I 08:35:37 Stream Processing: No
I 08:35:37 Remove Macrovision Protection: Yes
I 08:35:38 Decryption Key: ## ## ## ## ##
I 08:35:38 Extracting Sectors…
I 08:48:24 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:12:46
I 08:48:24 Average Read Rate: 9,929 KB/s (7.2x) - Maximum Read Rate: 13,742 KB/s (9.9x)

I’ll do a complete rip in File Mode

so which software would u all recomend for ripping dvd movies…and which for ps2, xbox games?

By file mode…do you mean a complete backup/rip of the DVD?? It usually takes me about 30min. to do a full backup/rip of a DVD. My drive is a Samsung SD-616 16x. Which of your drives are you using in these tests?? What speed drive is it??

This is File Mode (all files) on the 2600+ and is not much larger than just the IFO Mode main movie:

I 09:00:29 Operation Started!
I 09:00:29 Source Device: [1:0:0] TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1402 1010 (T:)
I 09:00:29 Destination Folder: D:\DVD\GANGS_OF_NEW_YORK\VIDEO_TS
I 09:00:29 Detect Mastering Errors: No
I 09:00:29 Fast Error Skip: No
I 09:00:29 File Splitting: By File
I 09:00:29 Multi Angle Processing: No
I 09:00:29 Remove Macrovision Protection: Yes
I 09:00:29 Stream Processing: No
I 09:00:29 Copying VIDEO_TS.IFO…

I 09:13:33 Copying VTS_02_0.BUP… (LBA: 3864960 - 3864968) - KEY: N/A
I 09:13:33 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:13:03
I 09:13:33 Average Read Rate: 9,870 KB/s (7.1x) - Maximum Read Rate: 13,945 KB/s (10.1x)

I’m using a Toshiba SD-M1402 which is a 12x I think

I’ll do the PIII-933 next also using a 1402

after you rip the dvd, you can just burn the data onto a dvd? or do you need to add the audio. Like that jerry rigged vcd way of putting a dvd onto 4 cd’s. That took hours

'tis easy enough

Read the Guides here.

Decrypter just rips. Unless the files are 4.37GB or less they must be transcoded to fit onto a recordable

I’m also using the ElbyCDIO.DLL as the I/O interface rather than ASPI or SPTI.

IFO mode is faster than File Mode which is a stop start effort

Well this is interesting. 20 mins for IFO Mode rather than about 30 mins. First time I’ve used 3.1.7.0 on the PIII-933; I could’ve used ASPI or SPTI as the I/O rather than ELBYCDIO.DLL too. Unfortunately, I couldn’t use the other 1402 and this was done with a 1202.

I 09:36:50 DVD Decrypter Version 3.1.7.0 started!
I 09:36:50 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 1)
W 09:36:50 Drive C:\ (FAT32) does not support files > 4 GB
W 09:36:50 Drive D:\ (FAT32) does not support files > 4 GB
I 09:36:50 Initialising SPTI…
I 09:36:50 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices…
I 09:36:50 Found 1 CD-ROM, 4 CD-RWs, 2 DVD-ROMs and 1 DVD-ROM/CD-RW!
W 09:37:42 I/O Interface has been changed!
I 09:37:42 Shutting down SPTI…
I 09:37:42 Initialising ElbyCDIO…
I 09:37:42 ELBYCDIO.DLL - Elaborate Bytes CDRTools - ElbyCDIO DLL - Version 4.3.2.3
I 09:37:42 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices…
I 09:37:42 Found 1 CD-ROM, 4 CD-RWs, 2 DVD-ROMs and 1 DVD-ROM/CD-RW!
I 09:39:00 Operation Started!
I 09:39:00 Source Device: [1:1:0] TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R1202 1023 (M:)
I 09:39:00 Destination Folder: U:\DVD\GANGS_OF_NEW_YORK\VIDEO_TS
I 09:39:00 File Splitting: 1 GB
I 09:39:00 Fast Error Skip: No
I 09:39:00 Detect Mastering Errors: No
I 09:39:00 Stream Processing: No
I 09:39:00 Remove Macrovision Protection: Yes
I 09:39:01 Decryption Key: ## ## ## ## ##
I 09:39:01 Extracting Sectors…
I 09:59:11 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:20:11
I 09:59:11 Average Read Rate: 6,280 KB/s (4.5x) - Maximum Read Rate: 10,109 KB/s (7.3x)

I’m sure that the difference between the 2500+ and my 2600+ is the reader

My Toshie 1202 8x rips at 1/2 the speed of my LiteOn 16x as I would expect. The Toshy is quite a few years old now and read heads & firmware have improved dramatically with time.

You also need to have DMA turned on for fast reads as well.

How fast does you Toshi 1202 rip? Mine in a PIII-933:

I 09:59:11 Average Read Rate: 6,280 KB/s (4.5x) - Maximum Read Rate: 10,109 KB/s (7.3x)

My 2600+ and 1402:

I 09:13:33 Average Read Rate: 9,870 KB/s (7.1x) - Maximum Read Rate: 13,945 KB/s (10.1x)

I really dont know anymore for the Toshie as I just dont use it for ripping anymore, just way to slow. On my AMD 2600 system and the LiteOn 166, for a DVD5 I typically get Ave 9-11 and max 13-16x For a DVD9, I typically get ave 6-7 with max 9-11

My Toshie is on the same system (might as well be a door stop!) and get 1/2 to 2/3 the ripping speeds of the LiteOn if I can remember right.

Well you can do dvd copies on the fly after it is burned once, which is kinda cool. I use Nero to burn my stuff and I love it, if you do dvd copy in Nero you will need to have your dvd-rom and your burner on seperate channels.

Adam