Clone Backup Of Blue Ray Films

Hi, I finally graduated to an HD TV and I bought a Sony S300 blue ray player. My question is what type of media should I use with Clone & AnyDvd in my PC burner. I have a DVD recorder that is non HD and I am new to this type of disc. I understand the player will upscale any DVD up to 1080 lines on my new Sony TV. What would be the right type of blank to backup a film with in my PC burner? I have always used Verbatim -R’s with no problems on non blue ray backups. Thanks. :rolleyes:

CloneDVD does not support BluRay or HD-DVD. The process you’re using for regular DVDs will continue to work for regular DVDs. The BluRay player will upscale those just fine. But backing up BluRay requires a BluRay burner and BluRay media. You can rip the BluRay disc to your hard drive(assuming you have the space necessary) using AnyDVD HD’s “Rip Video Disc to Harddrive” option. I believe Nero now has the ability to write to BluRay discs. But again, you need hardware and media to be able to do this.

it would be cool to do an HD XviD though…don’t think anysoft does this though

I’d like to take an HD-DVD and make a high def Divx but the problem seems to be decoders right now. Apparently sonic makes one that they’ve gotten to work. You should check out the doom9 forum sometime if you’re interested in this concept. It has been done by people. Now, of course, if Slysoft added BluRay and HD-DVD to CloneDVD Mobile…that’d rock. :slight_smile:

I thought I saw something on either the AnyDvd or Clone 2 screens or I could check off Blu Ray. I do see your point about the need for a blu ray type of burner in the PC. I have plenty of hard drive space as I have a media Center PC. I recently installed Vista Home Premium on my PC and upped my desktop RAM to 3 GB. I also have a personal hard drive with 300 GB of storage. My PC never ran half as good as it does now with XP. Are you able to back up any blue ray copies and if so is the media for blue Ray expensive? Just curious. Let me know your thoughts.

AnyDVD HD will allow you to rip the BluRay disc to your hard drive assuming you have a BluRay reader on your machine. An ordinary DVD drive will NOT allow access to a BluRay disc. BluRay burners are probably expensive. I haven’t looked into the technology much as I’m an HD-DVD fan. I’ve seen the blank discs on the shelf of my local stores for around 15 USD. Not horrible I guess, but, it’ll come down over time. But yea, if you wanted to make a backup, you’d use AnyDVD HD to rip the entire disc to your hard drive, and then use Nero to burn it to a blank BluRay disc. Then you can play it back on your BluRay player of choice(PC, PS3, stand alone player, etc). I’ve heard this works pretty well.

I appreciate the info. I don’t have Nero. Which version would I need and about what is the cost? I bought the BluRay Sony player to go with the XBR 60" big screen set and to utilize the HDMI cable for maximum TV PQ & to get a better picture using BluRay’s capability of upscaling regular non-HD DVDs. Otherwise, I don’t know much about HD players or discs as I have no HD discs. How do you like them and are they worth the $$$?

You’d need Nero 7 to burn HD discs. I have a bunch of HD-DVD’s and I love them. The quality is phenomenal. I’m very impressed. I have 0 experience with BluRay and hope I never have to. I am of the opinion that the studios should put their movies on both formats and let the consumers choose which format wins. That’s not going to happen, though, and BluRay will likely win due to studio support. Sony is in a powerful position to force the issue on this one. I for one don’t like that.

I understand what you’re saying. I have owned Sony TVs since 1980 and want to stay with a like unit for the TV I’m getting. The BluRay S300 seems to fit with the XBR-60 set. I also have 2 Sony DVD recorders and they both are real work horses. I have NO love for H-wood and their greedy self-serving interests, but they have all of us over a barrell as they dictate what is and what will be.

This is my 1st HD TV and I may not even bother with the high priced HD movies. You say that with Nero 7 I will be able to store a movie on my PC’s HD. Then if I can burn a disc I’ll be able to play it on the TV. Is Nero easy to understand and user friendly?

Here, here! … Sony be damned!


The thread title suggest that you want to backup and watch blu-ray movies, then you need a blu-ray burner; AnyDVD-HD or DVDFab HD Decrypter to rip the movies onto your harddrive, and use ImgBurn (free software) to burn it to a BD discs and you can watch it via your BDP-S300.

You can also watch the ripped movies directly from your PC harddrive onto your HDTV. In my current setup, I route two cables from my PC:

  • Video: DVI-HDMI cable from graphic cards DVI out into the TV’s HDMI input (such as this cable)
  • Sound: Optical cable from PC into home theater optical input.
    You also need a playback software such as Cyberlink PowerDVD Ultra or the latest Nero ShowTime.

No, I’m saying with AnyDVD HD you can rip the movie to your hard drive. Nero 7 is needed if you want to burn it back to a blank disc. And a lot of people like Nero. I’m not a huge fan of 7, personally, as I think it’s become extremely bloated. I still use Recode and once in a while basic Nero burning abilities. I have no experience with burning high def discs, however. I’m told that it works for that.

ImgBurn will do BluRay? I wasn’t aware of this. That’s good to know if it does…

Yes it does I didn’t know either. Although this isns’t the initial release but I bolded what you might want to see.

[B] Released: Tuesday 13th February 2007[/B]

*  Added: 'Read' mode for basic (sector by sector) creation of images direct from a cd/dvd.
* Added: Unicode support to everywhere that needs it!
* Added: An 'AUTO' write speed where you can now have custom write speeds for individual media types/dyes on a drive by drive basis. You can also use things like 'CD-R', 'DVD-R', 'DVD+R' etc.
* Added: Ability to preview Cells in the Build mode's 'Create layer break position' dialog box (or doing it via Tools -> ISO -> Display IFO Layer Break Position). This uses PgcEdit's little PgcEditPreview.exe file.
* Added: Option of Standard/DOS/ASCII characters set for ISO9660 file systems. (previously only Standard/ASCII was supported)
* Added: Ability to build ISO9660 file systems where files can have no extension at all (not even a '.' (dot)).
* Added: Options to disable warnings when checking 'seamless' or 'don't update ifo/bup files' boxes in the layer break dialog windows.
* Added: Options to automatically check the 'seamless' and 'don't update ifo/bup files' boxes in the layer break dialog windows.
[B]* Added: Support for reading/parsing UDF v2.50 - as used on HDDVD / Blu-ray discs.[/B]
* Added: Build mode now has the ability to look for and optimise duplicate files so that only 1 copy of that file actually exists in the ISO/on the disc.
* Added: /EJECT CLI command.
* Added: 'Auto Change Book Type' option to the settings. This is only used for LG and Samsung drives. When enabled (default), it will make the program send the appropriate command to tell the drive to booktype the disc to DVDROM at the start of every burn - obviously just for Plus format media -i.e. DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD+R DL.
* Added: Ability to insert a layer break position in the MDS file made by the 'Create DVD MDS File' tool.
* Added: Early warning message on DVD Video builds where the files are probably too big for the destination DVD media.
* Added: Checks for people loading '*.000' and '*.ISO' files in Write mode when a '*.DVD' one exists.
* Added: Ability to burn small images JUST to the first layer on DL media (normally you would split the data between layers).
* Added: Warning message if user specified layer break differs from that in the loaded *.MDS/*.DVD file.
* Added: Additional check for file splitting suitability when doing a read/build to hdd using the FAT/FAT32 file system.
* Added: 'Sector Viewer' button to Read/Verify modes in the 'Source' box.
* Added: 'Cancel' option when loading an IBQ file and none of the images are in the right place!
* Added: Files created in Read/Build mode are now (optionally - default = on) pre-allocated. This cuts down on fragmentation.
* Added: Options to set process priority during Read/Write/Verify.
* Added: Support for reading hdd partitions to an image file suitable for use as the boot image when building a bootable disc/iso.
* Added: A button on the 'volume label' windows to have it insert the current date/time in YYYYMMDD_HHMM format.
* Added: Answer 'Yes' / Answer 'No' options to the 'Don't prompt VIDEO_TS content' option.
* Added: An optional timeout to the auto volume label window (default is ON and 30 seconds).
* Added: Layer break positions are now displayed in the main GUI if the MDS/DVD file loaded in Write/Verify mode contained one.
* Added: Options on the 'Create DVD MDS File' window are now remembered between sessions.
* Added: The option of preserving full pathnames within MDS files created by Read/Build modes.
* Added: Improved logging options for files that have their names shortened due to file system limitations / restrictions currently in place.
* Added: Ability to add device id strings that are really OEM LG / Samsung drives - for use by the 'Auto Change Book Type' feature.
* Added: New 'Filter Driver Load Order' feature so you can see which drivers all your I/O is going through - and spot ones that could be messing things up. (Available on Windows 2000 and newer)
* Added: When the book type commands fail, the 'reason' (I/O SenseArea interpretation) is now also displayed in the messagebox.
* Added: Support for Vista's new 'OnDVDArrival' autoplay stuff - so it now says 'Burn an Image' (using ImgBurn) as an option when you insert a blank DVD. (This had already been implemented for OnCDArrival and I had assumed it would apply to both - it didn't!)
* Added: Support for showing supported write speeds on CD.
* Added: Support for identifying DVD+RW DL booktype.
* Added: 'TOC Information' to the Info panels in all modes.
* Added: Detection/Identification of 'HD DVD-ROM' etc type drives to the log when ImgBurn first starts.
* Added: Detection of HD DVD-RW read/write capabilities.
* Added: Context menu with 'Copy' option on it to the 'Label' field in the 'Previous Image' groupbox on the 'Please insert next disc' window.
* Added: Message in 'Build' mode when user tries to write an ISO image - where they should probably be using 'Write' mode.
* Added: 'Free Space' to the info page in build mode - used as part of the 'Calculate' function.
* Added/Changed: 'Preferred Format Capacity' value to info window for rewritable media. This value is now used during full erase rather than the maximum one.
* Added/Changed: A little workaround for a glitch in Vista with windows using a non resizable frame under the Aero theme. Pixel 0, 0 is not the absolute top left of the window - making the window appear off the screen.
* Added/Changed: The shutdown options / API's now use the 'FORCE' flag if ImgBurn detects the computer is 'Locked' - this can be disabled in the settings.
* Changed: Only the first cell in an angle block is now shown as a potential layer break. Other cells in the block take on the same SPLIP flag as the first.
* Changed: Check for updates defaults to 'Weekly' now. (Beta versions still do it every time it's started)
* Changed: 'Time' column header in layer break dialog boxes to say 'Start Time'.
* Changed: Some of the 'Program Update' code to hopefully reduce the chance of getting a cached response when checking for version updates.
* Changed: When looking for firmware updates, only the model is now passed to the search engine rather than make + model.
* Changed: On a fresh install, people with over 1GB RAM get a 40MB buffer, not 20MB.
* Changed: Process priority for Verify mode now defaults to 'Normal'.
* Changed: Some of the little hdd/cdrom pictures to their XP equivalents.
* Changed: New images for the column sort arrows shown in the Queue window (Applies to all OS's prior to XP - XP handles arrows by itself). The previous ones were not very clear.
* Changed: The icon on the DVDInfoPro buttons so it matches the new one used in the latest version of the program.
* Changed: Samsung 'change book type' screen always used to say the current setting was DVDROM. This was 'forced' because the drive doesn't appear to report the current value. ImgBurn now tells it like it is.
* Changed: BD-RE Full Erase code now also writes 0's to all the sectors on the disc. Unlike with DVD+RW erase, the drive doesn't do this automatically.
* Changed: The exe is now compressed using UPX 2.92 (beta). This new version appears to fix the Windows 98 crashing bug that plagued it previously and UPX doesn't suffer from the XP crashes that PECompact does.
* Changed: Update to using NSIS 2.23 for the installation program.
* Changed/Fixed: There wasn't anything 'logged' when a file wasn't readable when building an image in 'Build' mode.
* Changed/Fixed: Errors caught during the sync cache / disc finalisation stages were not taken into consideration when deciding if the burn succeeded/failed.
* Changed/Fixed: Loads of stuff for Blu-ray media / burning. (BIG Thanks to SVP for letting me borrow a drive!)
[b]* Changed/Fixed: Some bits for HD DVD media / burning.[/b]
* Changed/Fixed: Now only single session/track data discs can be processed by Read & Verify modes.
* Changed/Fixed: Unless the user specifically overwrites an image in read/build mode, the MDS file will not overwrite an existing one with the same name - it'll rename / create a new one in the 'filename(x).ext' format.
* Fixed: IFO parsing code wasn't processing VMGM / VTSM cell info properly (well, ok, at all!) and so they'd show up as non seamless when they shouldn't have in the layer break selection boxes.
* Fixed: Build mode's layer break code was a little too good at skipping analysis of files it didn't think would work - as such, some perfectly valid potential layer break positions were missing from the dialog box.
* Fixed: Bad/failed copies in a multi-copy queued burn were not being taken into account when decided whether or not to delete an image based on the 'Delete the image when done' setting.
* Fixed: The Patin-Couffin I/O interface caused BSOD's on Windows 9x. This is probably due to changes in the driver as 9x used to use different code to NT. ImgBurn now uses the same code for all OS's. Tested with v36.
* Fixed: UDF Version was displayed using OS's regional setting for a decimal place rather than being fixed as a '.' (dot).
* Fixed: Drag + Drop of folders into the write queue could lead to duplicates if a .DVD and .ISO were present in the same folder and had the same name (well, first part anyway!).
* Fixed: Times were wrong in layer break dialog for PGC's using multiple angles.
* Fixed: Having 'Auto Calculate' enabled messed up builds initiated via CLI.
* Fixed: The 'Verify Against Image File' option in the settings (Write tab) had no effect on the 'Build' Mode virtual image and so a verify always compared the burnt disc to the original data.
* Fixed: Just adding VIDEO_TS type files to the source box in Build mode failed to build a DVD Video disc (after you answered 'yes' to say that's what you wanted to do). The operation was aborted instantly.
* Fixed: /LOG CLI command didn't work if the program was already auto saving the log somewhere due to normal option in the settings (Events tab).
* Fixed: Pasting text into ISO9660 volume label boxes allowed for characters that should have been restricted (it bypassed the normal checks).
* Fixed: 'Weekly' and 'Fortnightly' were round the wrong way in the 'check for program update' option drop down box.
* Fixed: Couldn't just specify a filename (no path) for the /SETTINGS CLI 'File Name' argument. It would save ok but wouldn't load.
* Fixed: LBA offset was wrong in one of the UDF descriptors if the file descriptors for a given directory spanned multiple sectors. (Some OS's didn't then show all the files)
* Fixed: Starting the build/write automatically via CLI could mean the autoinsert thread was run after it should have already been terminated. This could cause errors to pop up as the disc continued to burn (so not really damaging anything).
* Fixed: Memory leak if you used the 'Create DVD MDS File' tool.
* Fixed: Incorrect decoding of I/O errors when using the 'Write (12)' command.
* Fixed: A couple of glitches in the GUI on Vista.
* Fixed: A problem where the MD5 hash wasn't always calculated/displayed in the log after a burn/verify etc.
* Fixed: The open file dialog boxes now have the places bar down the left hand side on Windows Me.
* Fixed: 'Chapter' column in layer break dialog boxes was showing a number with a base of 0, instead of with a base of 1 - i.e. it was 1 too low!
* Fixed: Layer break positions in the list view were only sorted by LBA and those with the same LBA could appear in the wrong order - LU / PGC / Chapter / Cell wise.
* Fixed: Tools -> ISO -> 'Display IFO Layer break position' could start with part of an internal (to the program) string in the 'file' box.
* Fixed: Open/Save File dialog boxes were not resizable.
* Fixed: The AutoPlay (on insert blank cd/dvd) 'Burn Image / Build + Burn Image' entries were passing the drive letter with the '/SOURCE' CLI parameter rather than the '/DEST' one.
* Fixed: Some memory leaks when closing the program down on Vista (with UAC enabled) due to it not being able to write certain registry entries.
* Fixed: Lots of error catching code so Borland's internal exceptions are deleted properly and not 'leaked' when the program closes.
* Fixed: Some issues to do with the 'DVDRAM / BD-RE FastWrite' option.
* Fixed: Old CD-R/RW drives that don't report the current media properly would cause ImgBurn to prompt the user to select which type of media they wanted to erase - when CD-RW was the only one it could ever be.

[B] * Fixed: Discovery mode’s ‘Sectors’ box wouldn’t accept a large enough number for use on large discs - i.e. HD DVD, Blu-ray.

Yep ImgBurn is a must have tool :iagree:

It’s all I personally use for burning, but, I wasn’t aware of the HD stuff being added. With change lists like that it’s easy to miss. :smiley: That’s awesome. It’s even more of a must have tool now. Not that I have a drive capable of burning, but, when prices come down and the HD market stabilizes I plan on doing so. Good info to know.

Anytime my friend. It wore my eyes out reading all the change logs so that’s why I just grabbed this one.

Not that it’ll do me any good for a while. I don’t intend to get a burner til they come down a LOT. Plus I want a hybrid reader so I can read both BD and HD-DVD discs. I have an HD-DVD drive and a 50" Sony HDTV, so, I’m good for the moment. :wink:

Hi, I’m with you. I returned the Sony BluRay player and am going to wait a while. I get the After Dawn letter and they’re talking about buying a key to keep your BluRay disc activated for playing. That’s a bit much for me! When they all get done fighting over how & what HD & BluRay movies will be viewed and what player, etc. i’ll do what you’re suggesting. Right now it seems like a lot of expense and a nightmare.

I agree. Investing in backup equipment for either format right now is not really worth it. Prices will come down and the format war will be won eventually, so, it’s best to wait. Of course, I’m going to enjoy HD-DVD in the meantime. Region free means I can import discs from outside my region. I consider that a "good thing"™. :slight_smile: