Cheap -R's Useless on 2500A

I bought these discs :

http://www.dabs.com/uk/channels/hardware/storage/productView.htm?quicklinx=2HB3

Out of 25 have made the first 4 coasters. The discs write ok but won’t read properly in anything, not even the burner. They are 4x but will only write 2X. If you look at the customer reviews it looks like most ppl have problems so I am hoping it’s not a bad choice of drive. Do you recon I can get these to burn or should I chuck em. Dabs won’t take them back, should they as they don’t work and judging by reviews?? (didn’t see these before purchase otherwise I would have steered clear.

Could,
A) Changing from Nero 6.3.0.2
B) Upgrading firmware from 1.06 - 03121900
C) Anything else

help

I also got some bulkpaq yellow 2.4X +RW’s and they are pefect in everything so far, would bulkpaq -R’s be ok (I know I am cheap ass).

Thanks in advance.

If you use DVDInfo, who does it say the manufacturer is? I bought some generic DVD-Rs from Compusa that turned out to be made by Princo. They burn slow but haven’t had any duds. I’ve heard some NEC owners say that discs from certain manufacturers don’t work in their NEC drives.

DVDinfo:

                        Media Information                            

Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID
Format Capacity Not Formatted
Free Blocks 412352512
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.71GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Media Id Code Speed Unknown
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta 0B
2x Speed OPC power 0F
2x Write Strategy field 1 11 86 67 80
2x Write Strategy field 2 88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta 01
4x Speed OPC power 1B
4x Write Strategy field 1 0B 0F 08 08
4x Write Strategy field 2 55 09 10 0B
4x Write Strategy field 3 80 88 80 88
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 00
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 00
4x Write Strategy field 4 00 00 00 00
4x Write Strategy field 5 00 00 00 00 00 00
4x Write Strategy field 6 00 00 00 00 00
Data area starting sector 30000h
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

Notice no manufacturer listed?

Your topic is quite misleading - as many cheap discs works just fine in the NEC.

But you will ALWAYS find garbage discs that do not work in any writers. An example is discs without any manufacturer ID like the ones you have, they are usually crap quality.

Originally posted by OC-Freak
[B]Your topic is quite misleading - as many cheap discs works just fine in the NEC.

But you will ALWAYS find garbage discs that do not work in any writers. An example is discs without any manufacturer ID like the ones you have, they are usually crap quality. [/B]

Why is it misleading? When did I say that the NEC doesn’t like cheap disks? As I said the cheap bulkpaq +RW’s work just fine. When I was talking about bad choice of ddrive I meant in general compatability terms as I know some drives are more compatible with certain discs in gereral.

My burner doesn’t like THESE cheap disks and my query was if there was some way I could get these working.

I think Iwill cut my losses - I can’t believe these discs don’t work for what looks like the majority of people. Should Dabs accept them back and give me a refund though as I think they are selling a more or less useless product? They were only £12 when i bought them but it’s the principle…

What do you recon.

What I ment is that when reading the topic of this post you’ll think that ALL cheap -R discs do not work - which is not the case :wink:

I think they’ll keep selling the crap as long as people buy them and is to “lazy” to complain.

It’s probably a good thing that they don’t work. If they did, you would just lose all the data in a few months anyway. Send them back or throw them away, and never buy from that store again.
There’s plenty of inexpensive media that works great in the 2500A.

OC and RD are right. Topic is inflammatory. Not only do plenty of inexpensive discs write just fine in the NEC, there are plenty of really cheap discs that don’t work consistently well in any burner. Just wondering, how many brands of “cheap -R’s” have you tried in your NEC? If it’s these only, then your statement is far from scientific.

Call Dabs back, tell them what DVDInfoPro reported to you about the discs, and also tell them that you will tell every user you know (which would be quite a lot if you told this forum) that their service was poor in addition to not giving them business again. Nobody would sell cheap crap discs if people wouldn’t buy them, but retailers should have some standards of their own as well. And in the future, look at Meritline or NewEgg as suppliers of good quality reasonably priced media that isn’t garbage-in, garbage-out.

P.S. I just looked at the Dabs website and saw this under your item:

DVD-R 4.7GB 4x - 25pk
£8.00 inc VAT (£6.81 ex VAT)
1028 in stock now
0 estimated in stock 1-3 days
manufacturer code
quicklinx 2HB3WS
dabspoints 8
Image for illustrative purposes only
used from £7.48

How the heck can they sell them “used” ? :eek:

Originally posted by rdgrimes
It’s probably a good thing that they don’t work. If they did, you would just lose all the data in a few months anyway. Send them back or throw them away, and never buy from that store again.
There’s plenty of inexpensive media that works great in the 2500A.

Can you recommend any, and any uk store that sell em.

Ta.

Also this is the reply I got from Dabs when I asked for a return.

Thank you for your email
DVD-R is a technology which has a defined standard for disc size, data
capacity, and format of the data to be written. However it does not give
any standards/requirements for the type of reflective layer used for the
disc and it is this difference (dye composition) which can cause
incompatibilities with some, but not all, DVD-R and DVD-ROM drives. The
different dye compositions give rise to differences in colouring for the
underside of the disc (data side).
We do state clearly you will require the latest firmware upgrade for
these to work.
We cannot offer a return on non faulty opened/used media

Please post the complete mediacode from DVDInfoPro (Show Complete Mediacode option), so I can have a look and see what I can do :slight_smile:

Complete media code:

00000000 00 6A 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0E 13 .j…@…R…
00000010 87 88 80 00 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 …
00000020 00 00 00 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 01 00 06 0B 0F 11 …

but there are some slighly different discs in the same batch (that don’t work either) with:

                        Media Information                            

Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID LONGTEN 009
Format Capacity Not Formatted
Free Blocks 412352512
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.71GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Media Id Code Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta 0B
2x Speed OPC power 0F
2x Write Strategy field 1 12 66 66 80
2x Write Strategy field 2 88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta 01
4x Speed OPC power 1B
4x Write Strategy field 1 0B 0F 08 08
4x Write Strategy field 2 55 09 10 0B
4x Write Strategy field 3 80 88 80 88
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 00
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 00
4x Write Strategy field 4 00 00 00 00
4x Write Strategy field 5 00 00 00 00 00 00
4x Write Strategy field 6 00 00 00 00 00
Data area starting sector 30000h
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

Complete media code:

00000000 00 6A 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 F7 0E 0B .j…@…R…
00000010 77 88 70 00 03 4C 4F 4E 47 54 45 00 04 4E 20 30 w.p…LONGTE…N 0
00000020 30 39 00 00 05 AA A2 22 22 20 01 00 06 0B 0F 12 09…"" …

Oh, I bought some bulkpaq white\silver 4x +R’s that work just fine but at 2.4x speed. Burnt 3 discs so far with no issues, they play on everything tested.

info for these just in case you are interested…?:

                        Media Information                            

Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID MEDIA ID001
Format Capacity Not Formatted
Free Blocks 405405696
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type DVD+R
Media Type DVD+R
Media Id Code Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps
Linear Density Blank Disc
Track Density Unknown
Number of Layers 1

00000000 01 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F …&.?
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 4D 45 44 49 41 20 49 44 30 …MEDIA ID0
00000020 30 31 00 38 23 54 37 13 02 4A 71 02 90 66 16 16 01.8#T7…Jq…f…
00000030 0B 0B 0A 0A 01 1C 1E 0B 0C 12 12 01 00 00 00 00 …

Thanks :cool:

What I find amazing is that Dabs are continuing to sell this crap despite all the adverse reviews customers have sent in , and also their refusal to refund srclinton, I guess the moral is don’t buy from Dabs, their returns policy is very poor as testified by others.

Email them a link to this thread :iagree:

Unfortunately you have to buy something to be able to register and then be able to send a review and that’s not likely to happen.

Perhaps srclinton might do the honours at least it will offer some satisfaction that others might read it and be forewarned.

Hello,

I found that DVD-r’s the cheapies are an issue with this NEC 2500A.

I have 4 dvd burners…all of them a different brand.

I have used most all of the available software on three other than the NEC 2500A with the cheapest Ritek and Princo DVD-R’s with no real issues. (DVDXcopy, DVDXcopy Express, Nero, Roxio, etc…)

When I bought the NEC 2500A I could not burn the same -rs on the NEC as with the other drives. With most of the software I was using. I switched to DVD+r’s and DVD+RW and no problems…

So i thought I would have to use the more expensive dvd media.

Well, I found 2 programs that work well DVD-R medis, the cheap stuff. CloneDVD and DVDFAB. All other porgrams I use will not work with the NEC and DVD-R’s on my system.

Go figure?
A.

Dabs have their own feedback links for each product
If you had taken the time to click on their link you
could have read the customer reviews…

Most seem to say
“Don’t buy these disks, they don’t work”

and that’s from Dabs own site!

goto www.121cdr.co.uk (aka SVP)
they will replace any quality disks they sell that don’t work
Ritek 4x minus printable £15 for 25
FWS 4x minus £13 for 25
Arita 4x minus £14 for 25
Verbatim 4x plus and minus 99p each
richoh 4x plus (6x in NEC) £20 for 25

Originally posted by sarahjh69
[B]Dabs have their own feedback links for each product
If you had taken the time to click on their link you
could have read the customer reviews…

Most seem to say
“Don’t buy these disks, they don’t work”

and that’s from Dabs own site! [/B]

As far as I know - At the time of purchase these reviews were not available, if they were or if I had seen them then - NO! - I would not have bought them.

The point is that with such reviews and success rates they still continue to sell the discs knowing they will not refund customers that are not happy with them.

Originally posted by Beefy Unfortunately you have to buy something to be able to register and then be able to send a review and that’s not likely to happen.Perhaps srclinton might do the honours at least it will offer some satisfaction that others might read it and be forewarned.

I posted a review and they blocked it. Seems they don’t like the real truth…

I also mailed them back. Here was my mail in response to the mail as posted above when I asked for RMA on the unused discs:

"Thank you for your email.

I have checked my firmware for the NEC 2500A and it is indeed the latest version available and the discs still do not work. It seems the problem here is the very poor quality of the discs meaning they are in fact not compatible with many DVD burners of firmwares in existence. See for yourself in your own customer reviews for this product.

I cannot believe Dabs actually continue to sell these with such a poor success rate (again, read your own customer reviews). What’s more is that under the drive I purchased from you, these discs are recommended under the accessories tab. This is basically recommending to your customers to throw their money away using these on a drive that clearly doesn’t like these discs. Suits you as you won’t allow returns on ‘non faulty opened/used media’.

I have bought some cheap discs from www.ukdvdr.co.uk and they work fine. Before I ordered from them I checked their policy on returns which is that if the discs do not work or are not compatible they will refund on discs returned that have not been used. Better than your policy don’t you think. Also you are able to get a prompt response when you email them from the site, unlike yourselves.

In the future I will be using ukdvdr for my media (previously I would have used you), and one of the many other retailers which provide a better service for my other PC related purchases."

Guess what they blocked my mails too. I only sent them 1 other mail which was the rma request. This came back as being deleted without being read!!

I have finished with Dabs now!! :frowning:

wow what horrible customer service.
srclinton you should rate this company on bizrate.com and other internet rating sites to caution consumers to stay away!

Originally posted by srclinton
[B]Complete media code:

00000000 00 6A 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0E 13 .j…@…R…
00000010 87 88 80 00 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 …
00000020 00 00 00 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 01 00 06 0B 0F 11 …

but there are some slighly different discs in the same batch (that don’t work either) with:

                        Media Information                            

Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID LONGTEN 009
Format Capacity Not Formatted
Free Blocks 412352512
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.71GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Media Id Code Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta 0B
2x Speed OPC power 0F
2x Write Strategy field 1 12 66 66 80
2x Write Strategy field 2 88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta 01
4x Speed OPC power 1B
4x Write Strategy field 1 0B 0F 08 08
4x Write Strategy field 2 55 09 10 0B
4x Write Strategy field 3 80 88 80 88
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 00
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 00
4x Write Strategy field 4 00 00 00 00
4x Write Strategy field 5 00 00 00 00 00 00
4x Write Strategy field 6 00 00 00 00 00
Data area starting sector 30000h
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

Complete media code:

00000000 00 6A 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 F7 0E 0B .j…@…R…
00000010 77 88 70 00 03 4C 4F 4E 47 54 45 00 04 4E 20 30 w.p…LONGTE…N 0
00000020 30 39 00 00 05 AA A2 22 22 20 01 00 06 0B 0F 12 09…"" …

Oh, I bought some bulkpaq white\silver 4x +R’s that work just fine but at 2.4x speed. Burnt 3 discs so far with no issues, they play on everything tested.

info for these just in case you are interested…?:

                        Media Information                            

Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID MEDIA ID001
Format Capacity Not Formatted
Free Blocks 405405696
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type DVD+R
Media Type DVD+R
Media Id Code Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps
Linear Density Blank Disc
Track Density Unknown
Number of Layers 1

00000000 01 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F …&.?
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 4D 45 44 49 41 20 49 44 30 …MEDIA ID0
00000020 30 31 00 38 23 54 37 13 02 4A 71 02 90 66 16 16 01.8#T7…Jq…f…
00000030 0B 0B 0A 0A 01 1C 1E 0B 0C 12 12 01 00 00 00 00 …

Thanks :cool: [/B]

Please drop me an email with all theses codes and I’ll see if I can make a custom version :slight_smile: Those MEDIA ID001’s and LONGTEN 009’s should be burnable @ 4x with some hack :wink:

for what its worth. i own the nec2500a. i cant burn riteks. however, i can burn cheap media. in particular im having great results with datawrite redtops v2 disks. these disks are amongst the cheapest around and are still able to burn without problems.