thanx to all who replied!, (chef,checks in da mail lol).cool link stroppy,thanx. etp-yes ,theywork in other players (home dvd player. CDCHECK says "the request could not be performed because of an I/O device error,(code 117) critical process D:\ file directory in setup window not found (code 2) process aborted!(code 3) ?? help did'nt help me much, all greek to me... help please!! (pretty please!!), I'm lose'n my mind!!