Can PUH get misaligned on BenQ 1620 when burning -R (dash) media?

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#1

Few days ago when burning a serie of TYG02 with great results, I suddenly got a big surprise.
On one of the discs (after loading) drive suddenly started to reposition, many blinks, speedups and pauses. Then it finally started to burn, but after a few seconds I got a I/O error in CD/DVD Speed “create data disc”. (Unfortunally, I didn’t save this error as an image)
Reloaded same disc, disc still shows up empty so I started to burn same disc once again but I got same error, something about “no sense, position 00000”… :confused:

I thought; if CD/DVD Speed can’t make it, then maybe DVD Decrypter will. Fired up Decrypter and reloaded disc, disc still shows up empty in Decrypter dialog window. Tried a burn at 12x. And you know what? I got exactly the same error!
Reloaded same disc, but now Decrypter stated the disc was not empty enymore!
Tok out and examined disc visualy, couldn’t see physical damages or anything. But there was a very tiny ring burned (I think) on the disc. This ring was 2-3mm further into disc as on normal burn
Marked this disc as coaster and put it in a slimcase.
It was rather late that evening so I didn’t do any more testing.

Today I’ve a half day off. On the way home from work I thougt about this strange BenQ behaviour and my coastered TYG02. (I’ve experienced something simular one and a half year back with my Lite-On 411, burning weird on dash media.)
Back at home I looked at my TYG02 “coaster” and thought; he*l, if BenQ couln’t burn this disc, then maybe NEC 3500 will. Said and done. Loaded my TYG02 “coaster”, fired up CD/DVD Speed and you now what… NEC burned this “BenQ coaster” without a problem. :rolleyes:
Note. Yes, tried to burn with BenQ first but got “No blank disc inserted”.

Gentlemans, I’m stumped. What’s your opinion on this?

Some additional info:
Media: Taiyo Yuden OEM GG000098
Firmware used: B7U9 WOPC disabled (QSuite scan was run before burn)
Set burnspeed: 12x
PUH = laser pickup head (example )

I 00:29:09 DVD Decrypter Version 3.5.2.0 started!
I 00:29:09 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 1)
I 00:29:09 Initialising SPTI...
I 00:29:09 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 00:29:09 Found 1 DVD-ROM and 3 DVD±RWs!
I 00:30:22 Operation Started!
I 00:30:22 Source File: J:\TempImage.nrg
I 00:30:22 Source File Sectors: 2 294 752 (MODE1/2048)
I 00:30:22 Source File Size: 4 699 652 096 bytes
I 00:30:22 Destination Device: [3:0:0] BENQ DVD DD DW1620 B7U9 (L:) (ATA)
I 00:30:22 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: TYG02) (Speeds: 2,4x; 4x; 8x; 12x; 16x)
I 00:30:22 Destination Media Sectors: 2 298 496
I 00:30:22 Write Mode: DVD
I 00:30:22 Write Speed: 12x
I 00:30:22 Test Mode: No
I 00:30:22 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 00:30:22 Filling Buffer...
I 00:30:22 Writing LeadIn...
W 00:30:32 Failed to Write Sectors 0 - 31 - Power Calibration Area Is Full
W 00:30:32 Retrying (1 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (2 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (3 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (4 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (5 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (6 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (7 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (8 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (9 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (10 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (11 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (12 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (13 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (14 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (15 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (16 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (17 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (18 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (19 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write
W 00:30:32 Retrying (20 of 20)...
W 00:30:32 Retry Failed! - Invalid Address For Write
E 00:34:02 Failed to Write Sectors 0 - 31 - Invalid Address For Write
I 00:34:02 Synchronising Cache...
E 00:34:02 Failed to Write Image!
E 00:34:02 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:03:39
I 00:34:02 Average Write Rate: N/A - Maximum Write Rate: N/A

#2

And… is your Benq still ok… if you try to burn another disc ?


#3

Did you try with WOPC enabled?


#4

Yuup :slight_smile:

Burned four or five discs since then. Two dash (TYG02) and the rest plus media like MCC004.

Nope, I can burn all media in question without WOPC…

Edit. Note the error in Decrypter:

...
W 00:30:32 Failed to Write Sectors 0 - 31 - Power Calibration Area Is Full
...
E 00:34:02 Failed to Write Sectors 0 - 31 - Invalid Address For Write

#5

So the writing problem on your 1620 disappeared ?


#6

ala42, I don’t know how to define this “failure”…
Never had a “writing” problem on my BenQ before, this just happened without any indication or any other problems.

And the bad (or better said, good) thing is, it only accurred once sofar. :confused:

Edit. What confuses me most is why NEC managed to burn this disc when BenQ failed.

BTW, what do you get out of Decrypter error log?


#7

pinto2, I’m confused. Is your benq ok now?

Several times I got no sense error on -Rs media but never on +Rs. This happens if WOPC disabled. If i restart my pc and burn with WOPC enabled, no problem. So I guess we need to be careful when disabling WOPC, I mean there’s seems to be a bug in QSuite.


#8

I once got ‘Power Calibration Area Is Full’ on a cd when nero had a bug writing SVCDs. It started to write, made the calibration and then stopped because of the bug. After several tries the Power Calibration Area was full.


#9

zevia, yes my drive is okay. :slight_smile:

I have burned at least 40 discs with WOPC disabled, but I never (until now) got an “sense error”.
On my Decrypter burn above, QSuite was killed before attempting to burn. (I get a warning if I run QSuite together with Decrypter.)

But I did run QSuite scan when I first tried to burn this disc with Nero CD/DVD Speed, as stated above.


#10

No comment :wink:


#11

Now I don’t understand. People disable WOPC, and then find software as culprit for errors?
I am starting to think media variations is far greater than saying “TY is good, Japan is good”. Maybe we are now into “the first 27% of the disc is good, but from there to 45% is only so,so”
Something like that.
Hint, WOPC has purpose, and it is not to cost 30 seconds more per burn.

But hey, it is me that burn 8X media at 6X, hehehe


#12

Okay, if the power calibration area (32768 bytes something) is (was) full, how the heck did NEC manage to burn when BenQ refuzed with message; no empty disk inserted? :confused:

Clearly there is some difference between drives in this aspect…


#13

Update

It looks like I was wrong about this.

I have checked other types of my -R´s (dash) media and found out all of them have a tiny light grey “ring” a few millimetres into the dye´s burning area…
Out of this I make assumption, nothing was written by BenQ to disc in question, (except for information in power calibration area, but this still not confirmed).

But the rest of the story is still a mystery to me… :confused:


#14

Sitback, relax, have a beer :slight_smile:


#15

walks to fridge and grabs a cold one
Cheers… :wink:

Don’t worry, this small incident wont discourage me from burning new champs in sub 5:20… :smiley:


#16

I also had some Ricoh R01 (Infinity +R) which could not be burned by my Nec 2500 but could on the Benq.
I was thrilled by the performance of the new drive but it turned out that the burns’ quality was marginal. Reading back caused some problems and I ended up redoing the burns with other discs.

I think that it’s a media problem. Somehow the inner part of the burn area was misaligned and one drive cannot detect the calibration area whereas another one can, randomly or due to individual alignment.

It could also be that AOPC of your Nec 3500 is better than no WOPC on the Benq on this kind of media defects.

My 2 cts.


#17

off topic

Mmmm… Norrlands Guld 5,2% tasted good…uuummm.
/ off topic

Thanks to everybody worrying about my beloved BenQ 1620 drive, much appreciated.
Gladly I can inform you… it’s still burning lika a champ.

:slight_smile:


#18

Did you tried disabling WOPC before giving this comment? I doubt. It’s a new software, testing it in various MIDs, and reported it here. You obviously didnt browse my scans in the WOPC Disabled thread. No quality loss for all +Rs I owned and only some errors for some -Rs. This thread also talks about -Rs.


#19

nothing to worry about,I always get write errors on a benq when I play with crappy disc such as onidtech’s,sky,vdspmsab and fornex101. Also happens when I burn fake mcc 003.

cheers


#20

the real question is does the disc burned by the Nec real work…I had a disc that I stopped burn because of speed drop in U9 fw…anyway there was a small burn ring noted…forgot about this and reburned it with my BenQ…burned finished…it was a movie iso…but when i tried to read it , it locked up Nero cd/dvd speed

When I relooked at the disc…that small ring was very prominent…it was double burned but the disc is a coaster

I just realized you were using create a disc… see if the files can be read…