Building new Computer...help

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#1

I want to build a new computer and this will be my 1st, but how do you decide what motherboard to choose? I really don’t have a preference of AMD vs. Pentium, so the Motherboard can be almost anything, but that is my dilemma. What choices are available? Does anyone have any recommendations or things to avoid, etc…?

Thanks

BDog


#2

BTW, I will be using this computer not only for general use, but doing video editing as well. I specifically need help on the motherboard, video card, power supply, memory to use, and the case to use.

Thanks again

BDog


#3

Whats your budget… I can suggest soemthing thats 70bux or 300bux, just remember you kinda get what you pay for to some extent.

My friend got this for video editing:
http://tw.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/Products/Products_GA-8AENXP-D.htm

lots of space for add-on drives (especially when doing real time high def video editing) and should you wanna RAID drives up for increased I/O which is basically what video editing solely relies on once you have the proper cpu and ram and of course video card, btw, go with ATI on this one.


#4

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=126180
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=121401
Video card performance has nothing to do with editing performance.
//Danne


#5

if your doing video editing you’ll be wanting a pentium, theres some new fancy models coming out, but expect to pay some serious money for them. May want a pentuim 4 EE, depending on your budget. Get a good, reliable brand of RAM, kingston, twinmos, crucial, the more the better, for video editing i’d say at least 1gb worth, and you want as fast as the motherboard will support, so expect to pay alot there as well. And you also want a SATA drive, maybe even two with RAID support, that should improve performance a little.

Like i said depends upon your budget, but you do get what you pay for.


#6

Why would he favor Intel for editing and why would he need an overmuscled CPU?
//Danne


#7

The first thing to do is determine what you will be using it for the most, and then decide from there what parts and pieces you want. I have built several computers for me and friends of mine, if you would like I could give you my opinions on what I would put together and why. Just PM or Email at:
grantah@hotmail.com


#8

What video editting software are you using, there are some packages that do get benefit from specific graphics cards, but they are very rare. Also, I’d recommend a newer AMD64 chip only because, the upper Intel chips are pretty expensive. With the AMD64 you’ll get SSE2 support and they are adding SSE3 support very soon. I forget which stepping that processor is. Besides the memory mentioned above, you could use Corsair brand XMS memory. Its all that I use. Worth every penny.

Antec or Enermax power supplies. I’d recomend 400W minimum for your setup.

Antec also makes decent cases with their power supplies in them, I usually end up buying these.


#9

Thanks for the info so far. My budget would be $1,000. I would use as much of my current computer’s components as I could. I would need specifically:

Motherboard
CPU
Power Supply
Video Card
Sound Card
Case
Memory

I mainly use Vegas 5.0 as my video editing app. I currently have a P4 2.26ghz (533 mghz FSB), Intel D850EMV2 board, Soundblaster Live Value, 768 megs RDRAM, GeForce FX 5500, 400 watt power supply, and the case from this original Gateway.

My concern is to “Future Proof” my system and have as much of an updated board as possible that incorporates new technologies so I can have it for 3 or so years.
BDog


#10

sounds like you have a pretty good first system, damn better than mine anyways.

@DiiZzy, intel’s are better for video editing, due to brute power, more cache and faster bus speeds, AMD’s are better for games, mind you a 64bit AMD does sound more tempting to me that a P4 EE.

The brand new intel chips (with the new naming codes) are 64bit compatible as well as HT, but you’re talking $1000 for the top one just for the processor.

if your on a bit of a budget then 64bit athlon is the way, if your interested in future proofing (if there is such a thing), then get one that supports SATA 2, PCI Express, socket 939 for the chip (if you get athlon). The only unfortunate thing about AMD chips is they don’t support DDR2 RAM, and are not likely to as AMD have said they might just skip straight to DDR3.


#11

I agree, Socket 939 board, get a couple of sticks of 512mb PC3200 or just 1 to start off with, i’d be looking at a PCI Express 6600GT myself, or 6800 if you’ve got the money.


#12

This is not the understanding I have of it, nor my friend who does it professionally, I aksed him to write a small sum up regarding this, btw, he is recognized by quite a few major lables already and I just helped him build his latest machine. If you are interested, her eis his explaination, I have little time as of lately to decipher it for everyone here atm…

"The most important aspect for video editing is undoubtably the video card. Of course the Processor, RAM & Hard Drive are all major factors, but of course, how can you leave out the one thing that is most necessary in your endeavor.
For those that say Video cards aren’t important for editing haven’t had much experience in editing. Most NLE’s work best with cards that support OpenGL. Adobe After Effects, Pinnacle Liquid, Avid Express & others run best when a video card supports this feature.
Number one rule of course, is how fast you can ‘render’ your timeline. If you are telling me that there is no difference between a 16MB Video card, and a 512MB card, then I have something else you should look into. The faster the card, the more processes it can spit out per second. That’s a whole lot more information faster, and at less stress to the CPU and overall temperature of the system.
Not only that, but certain cards benefit editors with little extras, like support for Plug-ins to NLE’s, like Boris FX and what not. Forget rendering basic video…trying creating a new title or animated graphic in After Effects, and see how well your shiny new, P4 Processor with HT Tech. spurts that one out. Be sure to make time for lunch while you’re at it. Forget about adding filters to existing video clips in the timeline. You might as well get some jogging time in as well.
Dont forget other perks like Dual Monitor support (and up). I’ve seen incredible 4-5 monitor support machines. How can you get that type of desktop real estate without a capable video card? As well, for an editor…if you don’t have a breakout box, you can always get a new card that supports both Digital & Analog support. From DVI, to S-Video & Composite In/Out, you’ll never have to worry that you won’t be able to capture/export video you are working on.
Overall, for better system performance, more work done faster, cooler system temp., and more hair on your head, do yourself a favor and get a video card that is more in tune for video editing. "


#13

Not surprised! His post seldom assists or provides solutions, and most generally do not relate to reality…… They a usually just an attack on the uninformed or a display of ignorance…… It just continues!


#14

Let’s be realistic, After Effects and Boris FX is not editing software nor is it something you find on average Joe’s computer (unless we jump into conclusion that every user have downloaded it illegally and masters it). Adobe Premiere Pro, Avid Xpress family and Ulead Video Studio, Pinnacle Studio (where you probably find the last two a lot more represented in this segment) does on the otherhand require a DirectX compatible card. I’m not saying that you can pop in a old Trident ISA card but anything that has equal performance to a Geforce 2 MX/Radeon 7500 will be more than fine for editing (about any card that you can find today is faster). If he want to go Shake and such I guess a faster video card would help although I doubt it’s within his budget. I have admit that I really dont see the point in “…and at less stress to the CPU and overall temperature of the system.”. What’s the point in that? You buy a computer to use it not to have it just standing there filling up space and I sure wonder what’s wrong with putting some load on it. (It brakes? :-p) I’m also very eager to see actual facts on what you’re stating regarding overall system temperature. Actually if you have a beefier (faster) video card it’ll most likely dispatch more heat which will make the overall temperature higher than with a slower one which doesn’t make any sense with the statement above. Oh yeah (to BDog), curse you if you dont get a Matrox Parhelia video card, it’s clearly needed as you can see…

Just found something (a bit old but it’s still valid)…

Anyone who is in graphic design needs room especially in a program like Adobe After Effects. Single monitor with Adobe After Effects is hell. There is a constant reshuffling of windows that wastes time, hurts productivity and creates frustration. Adobe After Effects isn’t a graphic card hungry program. When it renders it relies mainly on the CPU.

http://www.matrox.com/mga/archive_review/may2003/pseries_shortmedia.cfm
Guess they also have no idea what they’re talking about right?
//Danne


#15

it does makes sense, processors run a lot hotter than graphics cards, so if you have a really good graphics card and it takes a lot off the CPU, then the CPU will run cooler, and the graphics card hotter, overall though the system will be cooler. Well not everyone buys a really beefy CPU so its not ideal is it.


#16

Actually the difference is neglible between CPUs, at least when using AMD64 (Winchester core). http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/print/athlon64-90nm.html
And then you’re telling me that the difference between a Radeon X800 XT and lets say a Radeon 9600 is less than 2C (which is the difference between a 1.8Ghz CPU and a 2.4Ghz)? Sure…
Unfortunately Xbitlabs article is broken but it did show otherwise…
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/print/ati-powercons.html
//Danne


#17

Are there any good resources that talk about Motherboards and how to choose which one? Any good “independant” review sites w/rankings?

Thanks,

BDog


#18

I have only trusted Asus in the past for AMD chips. I’ve had issues with Gigabyte, MSI, and others on the AMD platform. Intel boards may be a different story though.

www.tomshardware.com reviews alot of them.


#19

@ BDog
Google, <modem> review



http://www.xbitlabs.com/
http://www.hexus.net/
http://www.techreport.com/
http://www.digit-life.com/
Be aware of THG (Tom’s Hardware Guide, they’re known to be a bit biased).
I wouldn’t shop by brand though, all manufacturers have mainboards that are below average.
//Danne


#20

@squinty

I too have always been an ASUS fan, but I have turned to Gigabyte and MSI when in need of an inexpensive solution, or at least not so much as ASUS. I trust the 3 brand names for one reason and one reason only, especially in a discusson for a video editing system where there will be a great deal of wear and tear on all compenets, especially if used on a daily basis. Customer care… with that said, you need a reputable comapany to back you when something breaks or is in a need of warranty or RMA replacement. You don’t wanna call a company called zbit or whatever low brand name board mfg there is, and expect results quite the same.

Just my opinion.